Two Explosions at Boston Marathon Finish Line

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

Then you would have been dead and they would have continued to search. I didn't see anyone being dragged out with a gun to their head, I've seen LE on the ground with weapons pointed up as they walked out. Think its funny how everyone was gung ho to get these guys but afterwards all the internent tough guys and liberals start screaming about their rights and "What they would have done if it was them!"...

you would complied just like everyone else or you would have been "prowned out" in your yard with a boot on your back. Even if its wrong and you truely think you would have fought it hopefully common sense dictates you don't take on an overwhelming force face to face...

What should have been done:

Police should knock on a door and ask the person that answers if they consent to a search. If the person says no, then the police should ask if that person can provide proof that they are a resident of the house (A driver's license will do this, you know, since it has your address on it). If proof can be provided, and all parties within the house are accounted for, inform them that the suspect is on the loose and they are there to make sure the suspect has not entered the house without their knowledge. Unless the police have a reasonable suspicion that the homeowner is lying or hiding something, all they can do at that point is tell the homeowner to keep all doors and windows locked, be on the lookout, and give them a phone number to call in case they see anything suspicious.

If proof of residence cannot be provided by anyone in the house, then a lawful search can begin.

There's no reason a police officer is required to search a house if there's nothing suspicious about the residents inside.

Originally Posted by RedWingsZL1

Hey, any LEO can come in my residence if it's in the interest of my protection. Are you an idiot? There was just a shoot-out in your backyard and you'd tell the police that are there protecting you to get a warrant?

No, I would expect that the police would ask me if anything unusual has happened at my residence in the last 24 hours since the city lockdown took effect. At that point, I could tell them that I have a home security system that alerts me immediately if any window or door is opened and nothing has entered or exited my house since the lockdown. That should be sufficient information (along with my driver's license) for them to be on their way.

And let's be honest, a search of each house like the one in the video takes a lot of time, which we all know is precious when hunting for a fugitive.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

My view: If a police officer knocks on my door right now and tells me he wants in for no reason or justification, yeah I think I'd be a little wary and demand a warrant.

If a police officer knocks on my door saying he needs to search for a suspect after a freaking shootout just took place down the block leaving one suspect dead, another officer wounded, and the other suspect is running around my neighborhood, all after three people were killed and many more hurt in a terrorist attack perpetrated by these individuals, hell yes please come in and if you find him in here do be sure to take care of the problem.

Legally it's impossible to differentiate between the two. Where's the line drawn between the first situation and the second? At what point does it go from being an unjust search to a public safety search? It's a slippery slope when you start allowing illegal searches just because everyone's scared.

Originally Posted by trewyn15

That'd be way too easy for him, he deserves to be tortured like the families are being right now. He doesn't deserve a simple bullet to the head.

Sounds like he already tried to take himself out, god or karma or whatever you believe in obviously thought he deserves a more harsh treatment, so he's still alive.

I hope he is treated the way he deserves to be treated, lives a long and painful life and none of us ever have to see the idiot again.

I don't agree with this at all. We are the United States of America, not Afghanistan. If we resort to torturing people, then we are no better than the people we fight against.

Our Constitution protects the Rights given to all mankind by their creator, and as an extension dictates how a human being can and should be treated.

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Two problems with that: we aren't allowed using more appropriate methods of execution for a scumbag like him and in no way do I want any of my tax money going towards feeding and supporting him in prison for any longer than absolutely necessary.

I agree with this. Once he's found guilty, he should be given the death penalty and that should be the end of it. No extracurricular activities. Just get it over with and be done with it. Tax money is just one of many reasons for this.

Originally Posted by The Stig

Prison justice will take care of him.

He won't be in prison long enough for that. And when he is in prison, I highly doubt he'll be in gen. pop.

Originally Posted by Jordan23

I can protect MY house on MY own. I dont need the police. LOL what in the world!!!

Absolutely. If I see something suspicious, I will call the police and report it. Beyond that, they have no business escorting me out of my own home at gunpoint.

Originally Posted by Jordan23

So if a serial killer is on the loose cops can just come into your house? LOL watch what you ask for. Wait serial killers are not "terrorist" even though they kill innocent people and incite fear into society. So since this is a "terrorist" it changes? What if there was a serial killer in my community? Cops are free game to come in my house? OK!

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

sure, if they know he's in a certain neighborhood. actually shut down the area with flights, taxis, cell phone usage, etc. Then yes, if they need to go door to door, to find a serial killer, rapist, child molester, terrorist, the tooth fairy, easter bunny...go for it. Bastard needs to be caught.

like I said, it wasn't just random houses. it was a neighborhood, with a known murderer, or suspect that was running away.

The guy is running away and you're okay with them wasting all that time going house to house in an unfocused search? Did you notice that even with this extensive illegal search, the suspect was found in the boat of a house that had already ben searched?

So the people gave up their Fourth Amendment Rights and the police still gained nothing from it. Awesome.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

The guy is running away and you're okay with them wasting all that time going house to house in an unfocused search? Did you notice that even with this extensive illegal search, the suspect was found in the boat of a house that had already ben searched?

So the people gave up their Fourth Amendment Rights and the police still gained nothing from it. Awesome.

hindsight is 20/20. yeah, THIS time might have seemed like a waste. can't say that will happen all the time...

also, they may have looked in the boat, while searching, left, and then the suspect could have crawled in there. so we really don't know.

either way, the police had every right, to believe these people were an immediate danger to society.

[CamaroSkooter]

So we should just keep giving up our Rights every time something horrendous happens because the police might catch the subject that way, even when this incident proves it wasn't searches that found the subject, but instead a concerned and vigiliant civilian that noticed something out of the ordinary and alerted the authorities to it?

(yeah, I know, that was kind of a run-on sentence)

[Overflow]

Unfreaking believable. Here's a close friend of the bomber that's still alive.

Read his tweets..

https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

So we should just keep giving up our Rights every time something horrendous happens because the police might catch the subject that way, even when this incident proves it wasn't searches that found the subject, but instead a concerned and vigiliant civilian that noticed something out of the ordinary and alerted the authorities to it?

(yeah, I know, that was kind of a run-on sentence)

well, hopefully this isn't a weekly occurrence. lol I take this as a case by case basis. I mean, if they went through all the trouble to stop flights, stop taxi's, turn off cell towers, etc, they must have known he was in a certain area. if they really had no clue, I doubt all that would have happened. and they were right, he was in that area.

but yes, I think if there are bombers, blowing shit up every other week, and they have a pretty good idea they are in my neighborhood, i'll gladly let them search.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Overflow

Unfreaking believable. Here's a close friend of the bomber that's still alive.

Read his tweets..

https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley

It must suck knowing the bomber. People start to look at you ina different light. Some will get paid for interviews while other's become outcasts.

[Apex Motorsports]

BREAKING NEWS: MAJOR TERROR PLOT BROKEN UP BY CANADIAN AUTHORITIES


I think there is about to be a press conference. They just mentioned on Fox New that New York was the/a target.

[2010SS2SS]

CamaroSkooter

First off the Police didn't know if they were dealing with two guys or 20! Secondly any home the came to the door of could have been rigged or a cell safe house. In a perfect world ALL your IDEALS could have worked but in a REAL world they did what they did to catch the guy. Its funny how ALL these internet mucho men come out and say "they wouldn't have done that to me" but I've researched it and not been able to find ONE instance where anyone in Boston refused the search.

[Overflow]

Originally Posted by Renegade

It must suck knowing the bomber. People start to look at you ina different light. Some will get paid for interviews while other's become outcasts.

True. But he's a loyal friend.

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

BREAKING NEWS: MAJOR TERROR PLOT BROKEN UP BY CANADIAN AUTHORITIES


I think there is about to be a press conference. They just mentioned on Fox New that New York was the/a target.

Holy crap..

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

well, hopefully this isn't a weekly occurrence. lol I take this as a case by case basis. I mean, if they went through all the trouble to stop flights, stop taxi's, turn off cell towers, etc, they must have known he was in a certain area. if they really had no clue, I doubt all that would have happened. and they were right, he was in that area.

but yes, I think if there are bombers, blowing shit up every other week, and they have a pretty good idea they are in my neighborhood, i'll gladly let them search.

See, that's the thing, I would have given consent as well.

But there's no need for them to do it forcibly at gunpoint. And they could just have all the occupants come hang out outside the front door. No need to force them to come out with their hands on their heads and get frisked 3 separate times all the way down the street.

It's just bizarre from a procedural standpoint.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by 2010SS2SS

First off the Police didn't know if they were dealing with two guys or 20! Secondly any home the came to the door of could have been rigged or a cell safe house. In a perfect world ALL your IDEALS could have worked but in a REAL world they did what they did to catch the guy. Its funny how ALL these internet mucho men come out and say "they wouldn't have done that to me" but I've researched it and not been able to find ONE instance where anyone in Boston refused the search.

You're assuming every search was consensual...

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

See, that's the thing, I would have given consent as well.

But there's no need for them to do it forcibly at gunpoint. And they could just have all the occupants come hang out outside the front door. No need to force them to come out with their hands on their heads and get frisked 3 separate times all the way down the street.

It's just bizarre from a procedural standpoint.

well, I understand your point, sort of. but if you are a police officer, it's probably better for your safety, to assume every house you visit/search, is the house with the bad guy, and be prepared...to put themselves in the best position to not get killed. Than to assume everyone is Mr. Rogers. lol

[Renegade]

Loyal friends are hard to come by these days..

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Overflow

Unfreaking believable. Here's a close friend of the bomber that's still alive.

Read his tweets..

https://twitter.com/TroyCrossley

Well if he keeps this up his dream of becoming a rapper is pretty much shot. Only complete nutcases would want to help him out after this.

This guy and the boys' father are delusional. The uncle appears to be the only sane one in the group.