Pulled Over Rant

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by jcamaro37f

Well there's many an " Officer" on that with a base pay of 100k.. then there's overtime.

A lot of people are unaware of how much public servants actually make. Whether it be LEOs,Firefighters, Public Works, or Garbage men. That's why many have mandated its record to be public.


LOL at MFPIC.

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Hmm. I guess I don't see that as a red-flag issue considering the cost of living in certain areas, even for a regular officer. The job does come with an exceptional amount of personal risk-- how to monetize that is tough, but there is wage expense in recruiting and retaining GOOD employees, and I think it's absolutely the kind of profession that should come with overtime.

I think most public employees are "adequately compensated" - and that the profession of being a Police Officer should absolutely come with a living wage.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Maybe I'm confused, but I don't think officers need to see you speeding to pull you over for equipment violations that are visible to the naked senses (i.e. no front plate, very dark tint, inappropriately loud exhaust, etc).

Also, how many people do you know who drive exactly the speed limit? Technically 1mph over is actually speeding. Point is--the slight overspeed is probably just icing on the cake on a car that's otherwise a rolling citation.

Actually in some places those could be a non stoppable offense, a stoppable offense has to be committed before you could be sited for a non stoppable offense. Until a few years ago seat belt violations in Tennessee were like that.

[NJScorpio]

Originally Posted by Abomb1223

I have had plenty of warnings about the plate but never a ticket because I think they kinda know it is phasing out in most states in the US.

How is this getting phased out? Either it's a law, or it isn't. I get that some states have different laws...but you can't go smoke marijuana walking around all states just because it's legal in two.

"But officer, in XX state you don't need a front license plate."

"Go register your vehicle there."

[RA1987]

Originally Posted by jcamaro37f

I'm looking at a Wage Reconciliation list at a city I will not disclose. where as a police chief made 462k, a sergeant 306k, and an officer made 174k.


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Definitely not in San Diego, I can tell you that lol

[NJScorpio]

How much would you want to get paid a year for a job where you can get shot?

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by NJScorpio

How much would you want to get paid a year for a job where you can get shot?

IDK, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of folks that have been in Afghanistan & Iraq that would like to be making as much as some cops.

[Evergreen6]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

IDK, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of folks that have been in Afghanistan & Iraq that would like to be making as much as some cops.

Interesting to note, and how I found out about this was someone trying to compare a minimum wage hike to $15 compared to what a basic army soldier would make going into the service.

The numbers come from the Congressional Budget office. On average, for 2013, active duty service members receive an annual base pay and noncash compensation including some or all things like healthcare, childcare, housing, food, education, and retirement benefits valued at a total of approximately $99,000 annually. So, when someone says a soldier fighting on the ground in Afghanistan only makes $18k/year, that's not entirely true. $18k is the cash compensation, not taking into account any benefits.

That $99,000 average total comp- some make more, some make less.

With regards to monetizing risk/sacrifice, I don't think cash compensation or even noncash benefits describe the kind of risk and sacrifice that active duty and their families have to deal with. That's the nature of assuming the responsibility of "hero" status. It doesn't always pay well.

The more we talk about "what people should make" in terms of too little or too much, I think the conversation becomes really muddy. Fact is, there's a lot of people out there willing to do those jobs at their current rate of pay. Most of those positions are voluntary, or at least, signing up for them was.

[NJScorpio]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

IDK, but I'm willing to bet there are a lot of folks that have been in Afghanistan & Iraq that would like to be making as much as some cops.

(Not dissing our troops) keep in mind, military compensation includes housing, I believe that applies to one's whole family too. There are expenses a police officer has (any non-military personal has), that those in the military do not have. So comparing straight up "income" doesn't quite work.

[jcamaro37f]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Interesting to note, and how I found out about this was someone trying to compare a minimum wage hike to $15 compared to what a basic army soldier would make going into the service.

The numbers come from the Congressional Budget office. On average, for 2013, active duty service members receive an annual base pay and noncash compensation including some or all things like healthcare, childcare, housing, food, education, and retirement benefits valued at a total of approximately $99,000 annually. So, when someone says a soldier fighting on the ground in Afghanistan only makes $18k/year, that's not entirely true. $18k is the cash compensation, not taking into account any benefits.

That $99,000 average total comp- some make more, some make less.

With regards to monetizing risk/sacrifice, I don't think cash compensation or even noncash benefits describe the kind of risk and sacrifice that active duty and their families have to deal with. That's the nature of assuming the responsibility of "hero" status. It doesn't always pay well.

The more we talk about "what people should make" in terms of too little or too much, I think the conversation becomes really muddy. Fact is, there's a lot of people out there willing to do those jobs at their current rate of pay. Most of those positions are voluntary, or at least, signing up for them was.

I serve and can honestly say you can't compare military pay to the minimum wage OR congress. I'm tired of seeing people complain about pay. We all made a willful decision to join. Don't like the pay. get out


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[NJScorpio]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

Interesting to note, and how I found out about this was someone trying to compare a minimum wage hike to $15 compared to what a basic army soldier would make going into the service.

The numbers come from the Congressional Budget office. On average, for 2013, active duty service members receive an annual base pay and noncash compensation including some or all things like healthcare, childcare, housing, food, education, and retirement benefits valued at a total of approximately $99,000 annually. So, when someone says a soldier fighting on the ground in Afghanistan only makes $18k/year, that's not entirely true. $18k is the cash compensation, not taking into account any benefits.

That $99,000 average total comp- some make more, some make less.

With regards to monetizing risk/sacrifice, I don't think cash compensation or even noncash benefits describe the kind of risk and sacrifice that active duty and their families have to deal with. That's the nature of assuming the responsibility of "hero" status. It doesn't always pay well.

The more we talk about "what people should make" in terms of too little or too much, I think the conversation becomes really muddy. Fact is, there's a lot of people out there willing to do those jobs at their current rate of pay. Most of those positions are voluntary, or at least, signing up for them was.

You phrased that much better than I did.

Also, pretty much all the police officers I know (quite a few) all served in the military prior. So those same people who you may say should get a high salary because they served our country over seas, are now serving our country here, and are the same self sacrificing individuals.

One may say a cop shouldn't make XXX amount of money...but what if that was phrased as a "military veteran and police officer"? Well all want veterans to be well compensated...right?

[Evergreen6]

Right on, crouton..

[Manbearpig]

Originally Posted by jcamaro37f

I serve and can honestly say you can't compare military pay to the minimum wage OR congress. I'm tired of seeing people complain about pay. We all made a willful decision to join. Don't like the pay. get out


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So much this.

Also, going back to the various paygrades, was that accounting for seniority and cost of living in that area?

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by jcamaro37f

I serve and can honestly say you can't compare military pay to the minimum wage OR congress. I'm tired of seeing people complain about pay. We all made a willful decision to join. Don't like the pay. get out


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I don't care about my income. I care about my uniform.

I also want to point out that the benefits we receive are uniquely difficult to monetize. Just because I can go to the JAG with a legal question doesn't mean I have a free lawyer.

[jcamaro37f]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I don't care about my income. I care about my uniform.

I also want to point out that the benefits we receive are uniquely difficult to monetize. Just because I can go to the JAG with a legal question doesn't mean I have a free lawyer.

A few of my buds always say, " would you serve for free? "

And you're absolutely right - many things we get are not measurable by income. The education benefits we get, the resources we receive, as well as lower cost medical dental and healthy. Don't forget post housing and chow.


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