GM recall worry some?

[Normagene]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

Some people need to get a clue. This is a very serious matter for those that suffer tragedy. Below is a picture of my 16 year old daughter the day she got her Saturn Ion. Next to it is the Saturn after a near fatal accident when she was 17 in 2011. Her life is changed forever. She will deal with debilitating injuries and major medical bills the rest of her life. The accident has the same characteristics of ignition failure, no evasive turns or braking, just a drift off the road into a large pine tree. Now with this recall, we have many questions.

Very very sorry to hear about your daughter. I can't imagine anything more horrifying for a parent. Its disgraceful that GM put profits above safety. I would be very upset with GM for knowingly selling defective vehicles. Your daughter will be in my prayers.

[wakespeak]

The new CEO will be consumed for sure. She was promoted from within (bad idea IMO) so not sure how defensive she will be. GM should recall all of the cars affected not only for ethical reasons, but to resolve trust with future consumers. That is obvious from the outside.

How they act on it will be telling of the new leadership. GM's problem for a generation has been the leadership. The leadership started to change from fortress Detroit and spreadsheet decision making after 2008, but we'll have to see how they deal with this crisis and how innovative new products are.

[Ringo64]

Originally Posted by Normagene

More cars added to the Recall List today. Another 1.5 million. Malibu's and Pontiac G6. This time Power Steering can go out. So now its way over 2.5 million on the list. And the evidence doesn't look good, 2001 problem identified, 2002 GM approves even though it Does Not Meet GM Specifications. Inquiry opened in 2004 and closed in 2005. GM concluded: Fixes takes too long and COST TOO MUCH. NO SOLUTION REPRESENTS AN ACCEPTABLE BUSINESS CASE.

The Lawyers are going to eat GM alive, and the government will be handing out Record Fines. GM put Profits over Human Lives.

Have owned my '06 G6 for 8 years (since new), this is an OLD recall from ~2008. I think GM is restating it as they are getting more pressure from the government and just want to be sure. It doesn't affect all vehicles for years 2006+, only some, I was lucky to not be apart of it.

[tbis]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

Some people need to get a clue. This is a very serious matter for those that suffer tragedy. Below is a picture of my 16 year old daughter the day she got her Saturn Ion. Next to it is the Saturn after a near fatal accident when she was 17 in 2011. Her life is changed forever. She will deal with debilitating injuries and major medical bills the rest of her life. The accident has the same characteristics of ignition failure, no evasive turns or braking, just a drift off the road into a large pine tree. Now with this recall, we have many questions.

You need to sue gm. Very sorry to hear about your daughter.

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[2xSSRS]

Originally Posted by christianchevell

The case is as many people knew that not just the GM cars but all cars could have their ignition affected by having lots of things hanging off the key rings pulling the weight of the key down......... this has been common knowledge to me and well a lot of people since crap I DUNNO.... LIKE TWENTY YEARS AGO. The fact they went after g.m. who just kind of half assed replaced the ignition switches for a lot of cars back when they found out about this problem in some of their models and did not retro fit them to every car affected is what they are going after them about now that they have a recall..... Yes people died, but will they look at competitors having the same problem? NO.... And g.m. is just being more cautious and doing more recalls if they think there is any problem as big government loves to fine and slap hands and act all BIG.. Like they always know what is best for everyone like say... a current program with 26% approval ratings. SO g.m.'s new CEO is making sure the company is more safe which is actually good for us, at the same time in a historical perspective life is not always fair.... I remember a ways back when G.M. had the largest fine ever for the build of the 73 model year up chevelle as it had a tank with a fairly straight fill tube that exited the rear bumper and a single flapper to keep the gas in the tank.

Well bleeding heart juries being all liberal with other peoples money that they are ruining our health care system, ( some constant rise in health care cost due to no tort reform...gee is our president a lawyer?), and every thing they touch said oh lets give a 9 billion dollar judgment or something to that effect because a family in California got ran into in big pile up on a California freeway and burnt to death from being slammed in the rear. My last car I built before my Camaro was a 73 chevelle ss clone, the rear bumper is massive with a rolled tube inner that weighs like at least more than me.
The government though said they should have had a second flapper in the fill tube to prevent gas ever being able to get out the tank which by the way was under the trunk and surrounded by frame rails also. Funny how they can go after g.m. when say the drop in gas tank of the 65 mustang is 1000% worse and the Ford Pinto.... oh but back in the day a liberal democrat president named Kennedy drove a 65 Mustang.....coincidence?

You be the judge, now in this environment the EPA and such have way too much power and need to be slapped big time into compliance with what is the reality for people who have to survive..... take for instance say Ethanol in our gas forced on us, a real rotten mess that is, or how they pay now to ruin roads up here in the N.W. in timber lands they wont let be harvested we the tax payers paid for so people will not use the roads so they do not have to maintain them..... Then come a say giant forest fire from their not managing things right in the forests there is no road to fight fires, and do you want to talk about protecting Salmon?

They require at least a 30 ft buffer of trees around the water in both sides of the rivers and streams to protect the salmon even if its not on the sunny side and even if the water is too cold for the fish as it is to promote their growth in numbers and size, I remember when they made fell trees into rivers be removed by timber companies as it hurt the fish and then they went everywhere removing the trees from the water. Now much later they actually add trees they said were bad to the water to help the fish spawn and keep the water not so rough......

The big government we have is a one size fits all approach that's a real crock compared to what our founding fathers knew with states having so much more power. Career politicians are the thing that is ruining our country because they cannot relate to us the common people and do nothing for us but only inflate their opinion of themselves as its a popularity competition with people thinking of themselves and what they can get from big sugar daddy government....the other guys money, and that's just what they want, dependence on them for everything.

And that's where revolution comes in back in grade school in our history books with the British taxing us because they could....no voting for us to say do something like approve Obamacare, no its just shoved down our throats as they say its a mandate and the "will of the people" because someone got reelected. And the will of the people comes down to a very few making the decisions and most have ZERO common sense.

SO if g.m. gets its hand slapped compare it to others? Is that what the liberal loving press will do? or are they under the thumb of those that allow them a lot of latitude like the media want so that some day we have to what? Watch Viagra commercials followed by Trojan twister commercials before we can get to the Cialis commercials as they funnel so much money to campaigns from medical drug companies profits soaring they can advertise like crazy with our money they spend to sell us more in a vicious cycle that raises prices to us. And that's the state of the world, at least a small part of it, and if you put too much stock into it look out AS THE STOCK MARKET IS RIPE TO FALL HARD SOMEDAY. And the lies you are fed can be comparable to who has the power at the moment in history, and only time will tell the truth hopefully if the historians are not to threatened. Good day this has been Walter Cronkite reporting for CBS evening news...... Sound of gunshot in distance as camera rolls out... LOL and the economy is strong!

Tell me how you really feel.....

[Overflow]

Originally Posted by christianchevell

The case is as many people knew that not just the GM cars but all cars could have their ignition affected by having lots of things hanging off the key rings pulling the weight of the key down......... this has been common knowledge to me and well a lot of people since crap I DUNNO.... LIKE TWENTY YEARS AGO. The fact they went after g.m. who just kind of half assed replaced the ignition switches for a lot of cars back when they found out about this problem in some of their models and did not retro fit them to every car affected is what they are going after them about now that they have a recall..... Yes people died, but will they look at competitors having the same problem? NO.... And g.m. is just being more cautious and doing more recalls if they think there is any problem as big government loves to fine and slap hands and act all BIG.. Like they always know what is best for everyone like say... a current program with 26% approval ratings. SO g.m.'s new CEO is making sure the company is more safe which is actually good for us, at the same time in a historical perspective life is not always fair.... I remember a ways back when G.M. had the largest fine ever for the build of the 73 model year up chevelle as it had a tank with a fairly straight fill tube that exited the rear bumper and a single flapper to keep the gas in the tank.

Well bleeding heart juries being all liberal with other peoples money that they are ruining our health care system, ( some constant rise in health care cost due to no tort reform...gee is our president a lawyer?), and every thing they touch said oh lets give a 9 billion dollar judgment or something to that effect because a family in California got ran into in big pile up on a California freeway and burnt to death from being slammed in the rear. My last car I built before my Camaro was a 73 chevelle ss clone, the rear bumper is massive with a rolled tube inner that weighs like at least more than me.
The government though said they should have had a second flapper in the fill tube to prevent gas ever being able to get out the tank which by the way was under the trunk and surrounded by frame rails also. Funny how they can go after g.m. when say the drop in gas tank of the 65 mustang is 1000% worse and the Ford Pinto.... oh but back in the day a liberal democrat president named Kennedy drove a 65 Mustang.....coincidence?

You be the judge, now in this environment the EPA and such have way too much power and need to be slapped big time into compliance with what is the reality for people who have to survive..... take for instance say Ethanol in our gas forced on us, a real rotten mess that is, or how they pay now to ruin roads up here in the N.W. in timber lands they wont let be harvested we the tax payers paid for so people will not use the roads so they do not have to maintain them..... Then come a say giant forest fire from their not managing things right in the forests there is no road to fight fires, and do you want to talk about protecting Salmon?

They require at least a 30 ft buffer of trees around the water in both sides of the rivers and streams to protect the salmon even if its not on the sunny side and even if the water is too cold for the fish as it is to promote their growth in numbers and size, I remember when they made fell trees into rivers be removed by timber companies as it hurt the fish and then they went everywhere removing the trees from the water. Now much later they actually add trees they said were bad to the water to help the fish spawn and keep the water not so rough......

The big government we have is a one size fits all approach that's a real crock compared to what our founding fathers knew with states having so much more power. Career politicians are the thing that is ruining our country because they cannot relate to us the common people and do nothing for us but only inflate their opinion of themselves as its a popularity competition with people thinking of themselves and what they can get from big sugar daddy government....the other guys money, and that's just what they want, dependence on them for everything.

And that's where revolution comes in back in grade school in our history books with the British taxing us because they could....no voting for us to say do something like approve Obamacare, no its just shoved down our throats as they say its a mandate and the "will of the people" because someone got reelected. And the will of the people comes down to a very few making the decisions and most have ZERO common sense.

SO if g.m. gets its hand slapped compare it to others? Is that what the liberal loving press will do? or are they under the thumb of those that allow them a lot of latitude like the media want so that some day we have to what? Watch Viagra commercials followed by Trojan twister commercials before we can get to the Cialis commercials as they funnel so much money to campaigns from medical drug companies profits soaring they can advertise like crazy with our money they spend to sell us more in a vicious cycle that raises prices to us. And that's the state of the world, at least a small part of it, and if you put too much stock into it look out AS THE STOCK MARKET IS RIPE TO FALL HARD SOMEDAY. And the lies you are fed can be comparable to who has the power at the moment in history, and only time will tell the truth hopefully if the historians are not to threatened. Good day this has been Walter Cronkite reporting for CBS evening news...... Sound of gunshot in distance as camera rolls out... LOL and the economy is strong!

This is the definition of TLDR.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by Cuda7050

Some people need to get a clue. This is a very serious matter for those that suffer tragedy. Below is a picture of my 16 year old daughter the day she got her Saturn Ion. Next to it is the Saturn after a near fatal accident when she was 17 in 2011. Her life is changed forever. She will deal with debilitating injuries and major medical bills the rest of her life. The accident has the same characteristics of ignition failure, no evasive turns or braking, just a drift off the road into a large pine tree. Now with this recall, we have many questions.

Sue the shit out of them.

[TxBandit911]

I still don't understand how the engine shutting off results in a fatal crash. I've had it happen to me many times, never caused me to crash. What happens if someone runs out of gas? Should they expect to instantly crash then force gm to provide us with fuel tanks that never go empty? I just can't connect the dots between engine stops, you crash. I remember driving cars when I was younger that didn't have power steering, so I don't see a problem there, power brakes, done that one too...

I just don't get it...

[el ess A]

If you were a 18 year-old smallish woman without much upper body strength, a loss of power steering in some of these cars would net you without much ability to turn the wheel. Plus, you don't know how other people may handle emergency situations. Some may be calm and know what to do, others may simply freak out and panic.

Maybe some good can come in the future....LIKE PUSH BUTTON START!

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by TxBandit911

I still don't understand how the engine shutting off results in a fatal crash. I've had it happen to me many times, never caused me to crash. What happens if someone runs out of gas? Should they expect to instantly crash then force gm to provide us with fuel tanks that never go empty? I just can't connect the dots between engine stops, you crash. I remember driving cars when I was younger that didn't have power steering, so I don't see a problem there, power brakes, done that one too...

I just don't get it...

I think a lot of people assume everything will work perfectly, so they're completely caught off guard when it doesn't. Nobody bothers to teach new drivers how to handle emergencies because they've become rarer as car quality has improved and most people are driving new cars.

Those of us that started out in less than perfect cars learned to expect the unexpected and how to handle things like engine stalling and brake pedals that go all the way to the floor or clutches that lockup, or throttle cables that stick. My first car was a 40 year ol 56 belair, stuff broke pretty often

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by el ess A

Maybe some good can come in the future....LIKE PUSH BUTTON START!

Also a good reminder to give some pointers to any new drivers in your family and maybe run through some "what if" scenario's.

[EETSMine]

Originally Posted by citabria7

A few people in the slammer will get their attention.

So when are you selling your Camaro since you seem to want to jump on the GM witch hunt? Yeah we all get you have some major issue with it, so stick it to the GM man and go buy a Toyota.

It is a horrible thing that has happened to people because of this. There are ways to make GM pay for it but these " who do we go after next" things are just getting old. In a month there were be another bunch of garbage come out of the wood work about some other manufacture. It's sadly the way of the world and people will quickly forget about their fits of rage on this issue.

[Angrybird 12]

I am worried about the people that will be turning off the switches on purpose and crashing their cars even a little bit and blaming their ignition switch just to get money out of GM. Just like the rash of unintended acceleration claims that suddenly started happening to every model Toyota. I guarantee you it will happen if it hasn't already.

[TxBandit911]

Originally Posted by el ess A

If you were a 18 year-old smallish woman without much upper body strength, a loss of power steering in some of these cars would net you without much ability to turn the wheel. Plus, you don't know how other people may handle emergency situations. Some may be calm and know what to do, others may simply freak out and panic.

Maybe some good can come in the future....LIKE PUSH BUTTON START!

Still doesn't address what happens when someone runs out of fuel, pretty much the same thing will happen....how come we don't read horror stories in the news all time about all the crashes caused from running out of gas?