2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by theragtopguy

I said the bodies went to Shelby American, I know they are originally assembled at Ford. My point was, the Shelby is quite a bit more than just 'badge engineering' using the Shelby name. The legend had total input.

That's all.....didn't expect to start a pissing match here....

Youre still wrong, the gt500 NEVER goes to Vegas. It is a Ford production vehicle designed by svt and built on the sameassembly line as the other mustangs. You are dead wrong.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by Rubble2240

Just hoping this release slows down the price gouging on the ZL1

[HKEY_]

Breaking: GT500 takes ZL1 to woodshed.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Youre still wrong, the gt500 NEVER goes to Vegas. It is a Ford production vehicle designed by svt and built on the sameassembly line as the other mustangs. You are dead wrong.

He is likely confusing the Shelby GT500 "SuperSnake" with the production Shelby GT500. But yes, he is completely lost and obviously unwilling to spend a minute googling facts but willing to keep coming back insisting on more wrongs.

[Rabamaro]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Even 20% loss which isn't unheard off still puts it above 662 HP.

This sounds fishy to me. If the crank hp really is 662, 609 at the wheels puts it at less than 10% drivetrain loss. I can think of one magazine in particular that posted 395whp for the 5.0 stock when it first came out...come to find out it was dyno'd in the wrong gear

[grimmace]

Originally Posted by DBS

the shelby will obliterate the zl1. Ford has stated that the shelby is faster around a road course than the ford gt. And so far Ford hasn't lied about anything they have hinted at in past months. So unless you think a zl1 which is on par with a 12 shelby is magically faster than a ford gt then the jury is settled.

The only competition left is the z06/z07 and the zr1 from chevy in response to ford.

case dismissed.

thats funny i remember gm challenging the new gt 500 to a road course....case not settled without proof...unless your oj....i also thought i read that the zl1 beat the current gt 500 by 6 or 7 seconds at vir....could be wrong about that though so don't go all crazy on me...

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Rabamaro

This sounds fishy to me. If the crank hp really is 662, 609 at the wheels puts it at less than 10% drivetrain loss. I can think of one magazine in particular that posted 395whp for the 5.0 stock when it first came out...come to find out it was dyno'd in the wrong gear

ive seen other dynoes for stock 5.0s at 390rwhp as well. But thats besides the point. even if the numbers are wrong, it would be because it was a "happy dyno", NOT because it was in the wrong gear. Actually lower gears tend to read LOWER on the dyno believe it or not.

[DBS]

Originally Posted by grimmace

thats funny i remember gm challenging the new gt 500 to a road course....case not settled without proof...unless your oj....i also thought i read that the zl1 beat the current gt 500 by 6 or 7 seconds at vir....could be wrong about that though so don't go all crazy on me...

It was around 3 seconds I believe. And ford stated the vert goes 3 seconds faster around VIR than the coupe so that means the 13 vert is as fast as the zl1 coupe. So logic would follow the coupe would be faster than the zl1.

[DBS]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

He is likely confusing the Shelby GT500 "SuperSnake" with the production Shelby GT500. But yes, he is completely lost and obviously unwilling to spend a minute googling facts but willing to keep coming back insisting on more wrongs.

lol

[Rabamaro]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

ive seen other dynoes for stock 5.0s at 390rwhp as well. But thats besides the point. even if the numbers are wrong, it would be because it was a "happy dyno", NOT because it was in the wrong gear. Actually lower gears tend to read LOWER on the dyno believe it or not.

In all honesty, someone may need to give me a lesson in dyno 101 because I'm not sure I understand that one.

[MauriSSio]

Ultimate Warrior had to wrestle Hulk Hogan at wrestlemania. SOMEBODY had to win.

im sure GM will respond sometime in the future though

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Rabamaro

In all honesty, someone may need to give me a lesson in dyno 101 because I'm not sure I understand that one.

dyno in 1st you get the lowest HP reading and the most innacurate graph. Dyno in 2nd, little better.....and so and and so forth. 6th gear dynos would be good but you have to spin the car way too fast (MPH) and will have deminishing returns because of the friction/heat that is generated. Best ratio rule of thumb is transmission 1:1, anything more agressive and you lose a little power (on the graph). Even steep rearend gears tend to show up as a little less power.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by grimmace

Sorry I beg to differ....not desperate at all....the point I was trying to make again was that GM pegged the ZL1 to the CURRENT gt500 so GM released what their horsepower numbers were going to be over a year ago. By GM doing this Ford now knew the figures and made damn sure it would have more....thats it. There is no desperation in my comments....just reality. And also again I think its great. This is isn't directed at you but some people on here love to point out the "facts." Well this is a fact too. It is also true that if GM does nothing to up the 2013 model with more power (which looks to be the case) then yes it will lose in the qtr mile/0-60 war of words. I would however like to see what happens on a track and what all the gt 500 people would say if it lost. Shouldn't be long now until we see those results as well. At the end of the day two awesome machines...

Fact of the matter is both cars came out within 2 months of each other, a member here already has his 2013 GT500. They had about the same amount of development time, and the same amount of time to out do each other. Putting weight on the model year is idiotic. GM didn't aim at the 2012 GT500, they aimed passed it and decided to focus on something other than peak HP.

both companies made cars that are fantastic, both companies came out with cars that most of there owners can't control. a few tenths here and there are irrelevant.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by grimmace

thats funny i remember gm challenging the new gt 500 to a road course....case not settled without proof...unless your oj....i also thought i read that the zl1 beat the current gt 500 by 6 or 7 seconds at vir....could be wrong about that though so don't go all crazy on me...

GM challenged Ford because they knew Ford didn't have a production GT500 ready and they wouldn't respond. I didn't think their marketing gimmick worked, but I guess it did

Originally Posted by lil_chef

both companies made cars that are fantastic, both companies came out with cars that most of there owners can't control. a few tenths here and there are irrelevant.

X2. If these two ever go head to head on any track, the driver will make the biggest difference me thinks.