Does anyone else get a little pissed....?

[MontanaKnight]

The only reason gas mileage has improved at all in recent years has been government-mandated fuel-economy standards, and God knows some recent administrations did everything they could to frustrate those. The superefficient cars now on the drawing boards don't figure to be cheap, and unless gas prices skyrocket, the fuel savings probably won't cover the higher cost. Barring a sudden burst of altruism on the part of the car-buying public, chances are you won't see ultra-high-mileage cars for sale until we're down to the last two gallons of Arab oil.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by MontanaKnight

The only reason gas mileage has improved at all in recent years has been government-mandated fuel-economy standards, and God knows some recent administrations did everything they could to frustrate those. The superefficient cars now on the drawing boards don't figure to be cheap, and unless gas prices skyrocket, the fuel savings probably won't cover the higher cost. Barring a sudden burst of altruism on the part of the car-buying public, chances are you won't see ultra-high-mileage cars for sale until we're down to the last two gallons of Arab oil.

But I'm a drill now guy.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by PQ

And the technology isn't all that inovative and different. At least not in terms of being able to do it back then. They are WAY behind on this.

Complacency I suppose, but it's shameful.

I wouldn't say that its complacency, just the nature of engineering. The vast majority of the work is about making what already exists better, not creating something entirely new. Refining a technology isn't being complacent, it just doesn't grab anyones attention. You remember the one thing that gets a 10% improvement, but never the 10 little things that have a 1% improvement. So with a tweak to the design of a cam, to improved mapping of the throttle, to better spark plugs, it all contributes a little bit. Over the course of a decade or two, it can add up to a lot.

[MontanaKnight]

Originally Posted by PQ

But I'm a drill now guy.

My grandfather was in the oil business for may years in Montana and with all the tax and regulation they put on it, he told me it is cheaper to cap a well than to let it produce in the states. I feel that is so wrong he had to do that.

[RAdams]

I wouldn't say "pissed"... I guess I would have to say I'm thrilled that we finally joined the rest of the world. Reading about the small / powerful / efficient engines available overseas, I've grumbled for many years while car shopping, "Why can't we get that from the Big 3?"

A heartfelt THANK YOU, Chevrolet for raising the bar and forcing us into the... well, the present.

[TOMS1SS]

Best fuel run I had in my Camaro was 17.75 MPG, not exactly hitting anywhere near he highway estimate. Currently I'm averaging 16.2 MPG over the 7,200 mile life of the car. But with that in mind I didn't buy my Camaro for fuel efficiency. I bought my Camaro because it has 400 hp at an MSRP of 33k and looks more bad ass than anything on the road. Performance cars with over 400 hp will probably never make 30 MPG unless its something different from an internal combustion engine like the Tesla or their is some real trick engineering that happens because of the CAFE rules changes. Mind you anything is better than the muscle car era when performance cars were averaging under 10 MPG. I dunno this is the reason why I have that weird little Fiesta, it does all the leg work at 39.1 MPG while the Camaro gets to go with me on the weekend.s

[Ject]

Wow you guys are getting some great gas milage!

Im in the 12-17mpg on my Camaro... lots of stop and go.. and when there is no stopping I really give it the GO pedal... thus why i've never seen the 20's :(

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Fearer2010SS

Best fuel run I had in my Camaro was 17.75 MPG, not exactly hitting anywhere near he highway estimate. Currently I'm averaging 16.2 MPG over the 7,200 mile life of the car. But with that in mind I didn't buy my Camaro for fuel efficiency. I bought my Camaro because it has 400 hp at an MSRP of 33k and looks more bad ass than anything on the road. Performance cars with over 400 hp will probably never make 30 MPG unless its something different from an internal combustion engine like the Tesla or their is some real trick engineering that happens because of the CAFE rules changes. Mind you anything is better than the muscle car era when performance cars were averaging under 10 MPG. I dunno this is the reason why I have that weird little Fiesta, it does all the leg work at 39.1 MPG while the Camaro gets to go with me on the weekend.s

this is the thing that peeves me about some of the SS owners and I'm not even calling you out or nothing but I'm pretty sure some people that brought the SS for the reasoning you mentioned and some people do use this as a everyday car and on a budget and getting the mpg's would help. I mean I appreciate buying a 426hp car that gets at least 16mpgs.

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by King Sun

this is the thing that peeves me about some of the SS owners and I'm not even calling you out or nothing but I'm pretty sure some people that brought the SS for the reasoning you mentioned and some people do use this as a everyday car and on a budget and getting the mpg's would help. I mean I appreciate buying a 426hp car that gets at least 16mpgs.

Don't get me wrong I did use my Camaro as my daily driver for my first year of ownership. When I originally bought the Camaro I had a 8 mile commute so MPG was never a factor for me. However I had a change of jobs that requires 25,000 miles of road travel and I couldn't do that to the Camaro. For me the Camaro something I want to keep as kind of a collector that I can use, unlike older cars. Luckily I was in a position to purchase the Fiesta for cash so I could bank on my mileage reimburisement. I guess you gotta go with what works for you when you buy a vehicle. There are a lot of people who drive trucks who average close or less than 10 MPG and they use very little if any of the utility but are completely with their choice.

[turboguy327]

I was getting 26 mpg with my supra in 2003 and at that time it was making 560 rwhp. Last trip I got 29 with it and I now have over 800rwhp. I love my camaro but gas milage isn't as good as other high performance cars.

A model T gets 20 mpg. Lmao.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Ject

Wow you guys are getting some great gas milage!

Im in the 12-17mpg on my Camaro... lots of stop and go.. and when there is no stopping I really give it the GO pedal... thus why i've never seen the 20's :(

My average is around 18.3, I just got the 26 on a long trip and only once I got to 65 mph.

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by turboguy327

I was getting 26 mpg with my supra in 2003 and at that time it was making 560 rwhp. Last trip I got 29 with it and I now have over 800rwhp. I love my camaro but gas milage isn't as good as other high performance cars.

A model T gets 20 mpg. Lmao.

supra is a fi 4 or 6? then theres your answer and thats not even stock.

[Scott@Bjorn3D]

I got 27 from Huntsville to Eufaula. Pretty nice to do that drive on less than a tank of gas.

[Heliwrench]

My best was 30.7 mpg on a long all highway road trip doing a boring speed limit the whole way because the roads were super slick... Never again....

But I was impressed!

Normally its around 15