The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[ViperTomcat]

Ok..so maybe I was off, I was wrong.

Behold, the ability to admit to being off base on a topic! I'd rather bow out of an argument with dignity than dig my heels in and never give up.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yes...80 rwhp is impossible for just adding exhaust and intake manifold and throttle body. The car probably doesnt even need an intake or throttle body in the first place with stock displacement and cams being N/A. I am sure they are plenty sufficient. The LS3 gains no power on stock cam profile when switching to a larger throttle body and or intake manifold (fast 102 for reference is showing squat). Their is no need for it...the motor is already pushing about as much air as it can. Trying to push more (wihtout cam change)will just cause too much of a loss in velocity etc etc. EVEN IF the car needs all these things...no it will not gain another 80rwhp from them and it will not be 500rwhp...not on this planet not ever. Like I said I doubt it will ever touch 500rwhp with a cam change.

Yes I do think it is entirely 110% impossible for the car to ever hit 500rwhp with bolt ons. I have seen other dynos with more mods than just intake and tune dyno less than 420rwhp.That 420rwhp was the highest I have ever seen. It is definitely not the norm. You do realize when I had my car dynoed I seen a variance of almost 15hp between pulls when nothing had changed?

Long tubes arent showing as good of gains as the ls3 because the 5.0 comes with mid length headers from the factory. Both cars with full bolt ons are showing 420-440rwhp on average. No I dont have a link but I have seen about 5 mustang guys post they are seeing around 430rwhp with long tubes....I havent looked for myself.

To just pick out the highest freak dyno and make some wild educated guess by stacking on parts is crazy.

I will give you my camaro if the 5.0 ever hits 500rwhp with bolt ons.

So what's your friendly prediction for a full bolt on 5.0L and full bolt on + cam's. before you said the 5.0L couldnt hit 500whp with bolt on's + cam.

ULTRAZLS1's prediction #'s for his Camaro raffle

Bolt on's (no cam) whp ?
Bolt ons with cam whp ?

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Ok..so maybe I was off, I was wrong.

Behold, the ability to admit to being off base on a topic! I'd rather bow out of an argument with dignity than dig my heels in and never give up.

Yeah, but don't forget, if it happens, Ultra has to give you his SS.

[Trey20020]

here is a good link showing the gains of ARH headers on the new 5.0's
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...eaders-486163/

[Trey20020]

Originally Posted by Enator

interesting comparison....

I heard the pro driver state at the 5:38 mark of the video the new GT would destroy the camaro....it said the camaro was more torquey but nothing more. Kudos to Ford for building such a great car!!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Trey20020

here is a good link showing the gains of ARH headers on the new 5.0's
http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...eaders-486163/

Thats through aftermarket cats too right?

[chain777]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Same exact motor eh? wasnt aware of that. Using pump gas and everything? daily driveable tune? same bottom end? same cams?wow thats crazy. You got a link saying it is the exact same motor as in the race car? you got a link to the motors horsepower and that it is the same engine?

Also. You need about 560hp to make 500 at the wheels. If the boss 302 race car isnt doing it good luck with that.

Well..I just looked and they say it is similar to the 5.0 street motor. BUt that doesnt really matter...they are only claiming ~400hp. Where did you get this "north of 500hp" figure from?

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...auto-show.html

Where is the north of 500hp from? Show me...

Here's a good article explaining the Boss motor. The 302R's run 450hp with restrictors for their class. I highlighted the pertinent parts, because it's a long article:



* They reengineered an entire dynamometer cell to handle the engine’s projected 7,500 rpm redline; put the first engines into Boss 302R race cars and sent them straight onto the track; and they designed a torture test equivalent to running the Daytona 250 race flat-out more than 175 times – in a row

* Close connection with race teams
Contrary to normal engine development protocol, the first batch of durability test engines weren’t installed in an engine dyno. Instead, thanks to a request from Ford Racing, they went straight to the track.
“Ford Racing had challenged the Boss engine team to give them the first available Boss 302 engines,” explains Harrison. “They came to us in August 2009 and told us they needed engines as soon as possible to build a limited number of Ford Racing Boss 302R cars for the January Daytona race. They got the engines 12 weeks later and the team got five Boss 302R cars prepped for the January race. This gave us a fantastic opportunity to be able to get full-on race experience with the engine so early in the program.”
The Boss engines have run reliably all season without a single mechanical failure. Boss 302R cars have also racked up the most laps led so far this season in Grand-Am racing.
Using race telemetry, the Boss team has been able to gather on-track data to help optimize engine calibrations, oil pan designs and cooling. In order to engage in virtual racing whenever they needed, the team used the telemetry data to re-create a hot lap at Daytona on the dyno back in Dearborn, allowing further fine-tuning.
“Working with Ford Racing has been invaluable,” said Harrison. “They were a wealth of information for setting up torque and power curves for road racing and for identifying areas of concern during track runs that we wouldn’t have considered if we were just building a hot street engine. Every Boss 302 owner will benefit from their contributions to the program.”

* Production engine durability testing
Despite its racing heritage – and the rigors of track-day testing – the Boss 302 V8 is still a production Ford engine, built alongside the 5.0-liter GT engine at Essex Engine Plant in Ontario, Canada. That means it has to meet or exceed all the standard durability testing every Ford engine is required to complete.

http://media.ford.com/article_displa...ticle_id=33066



So from everything I've seen so far, the street motor and the race motor are the same except for pollution controls and tune. I don't have a link, but it's been reported that the race engines dyno over 500hp unrestricted. Take it for what you will.

[Trey20020]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Thats through aftermarket cats too right?

Correct and no tune changes...just installed and dynoed...I would assume with the tune they would get some more power, how much not sure.

These new Camaro's and Mustangs respond very nicely to mods, that is for sure

[chain777]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Ford has stepped up the game for 1 year and now all we hear is that GM needs to step up their game.

The only thing ford offered GT owners for the past 15 years was a pitiful 4.6

And now the balls in GM's court. Isn't that the whole point of competition?

So yeah, GM needs to step up their game.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

You missed the point, how many times has this info been merged?

How many threads do we need to start about the same thing?!?

In terms of other car discussions, I assume there are Mustang sites for you all to gush over this stuff is there not?

Why do you take this "other" car discussion so personally?

If you aren't interested or don't like it, choose not to participate.

Mods are here to ensure the discussions are happening in the correct places.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by Trey20020

Correct and no tune changes...just installed and dynoed...I would assume with the tune they would get some more power, how much not sure.

These new Camaro's and Mustangs respond very nicely to mods, that is for sure

Not bad at all, I picked up 32 RWHP & 38 RWTQ untuned with my Kooks LTs with cats.

Didn't waste my time with the tune because the car is getting cammed right now.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by wbt

Why do you take this "other" car discussion so personally?
If you aren't interested or don't like it, choose not to participate.

Mods are here to ensure the discussions are happening in the correct places.

I don't....it just gets tiresome the amount of threads about the same exact thing that are generated on a CAMARO forum, one thread started about it should suffice don't ya think?

I'm very interested, and love to partake.....you say tomayto I say tahmahtoe

[vernal]

Originally Posted by 28.

I know this is a Camaro forum, but I've come to love this site and appreciate you'lls opinions.. Well at least most of you guys...

Anyways, hope u guys like the pics.

Nice ride, but get the louvers, or shell out for the flat ones that replace the 1/4 window. Here's my car and my sister's. And those wheels grow on you - at first we didn't like them but they were thrown in for free but now we both do.

[The_Blur]

You guys have a supercharger. We have a supercharger. I have no doubt that these kits are both good kits that will lead to great performance. I do, however, doubt that anyone springing for these kits will be stock. Look at the whole package.

Does a GMPP Camaro beat a Ford Racing Mustang after everything has been installed?

Let's take this even further. Does it matter? You Ford guys over here will come up with an explanation for increased power, but don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

Of course, you won't agree. That's why you drive Mustangs. They are good cars. I can't fault you for having the good taste to buy a decent American product. I just wonder why so much emphasis is placed on spreading Mustang gospel on a clearly Camaro website. We won't be buying this kit here, so I wonder why so many of you today have chosen to advertise a kit made for our competitors.