BMW M240i as a Camaro alternative

[JamesNoBrakes]

I'll say this too,

Cars like the SS or SS 1LE are driver's cars. They are more raw. They are more engaging. They are not always as fast in a straight line, but almost always faster and funner to drive when it gets curvy.

Cars like the 240 are quick, but isolating road noise and feel. They are designed to be smoother. Smoother engine mounts, transmissions, etc. These only start to get to a harder edge with the actual "M" cars like M2 and even then some of them are still not very engaging, just very very quick (but some are getting rave reviews like the M2C).

It's a different style totally. The 2SS interior I have doesn't suck, but the car doesn't isolate like my BMW did or my Stinger does.

[Umbriel]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

What luxury do you want? The vettes have a very nice interior from C7 and up. Unless you are spending luxury 5-series or E-series and above prices, you aren't going to be doing better. Vettes are more about driving though, so they aren't as isolating as these BMWs.

Or is it road and noise isolation you are looking for? Smoothness of transmission and all of that? Then your 340, 440, might start to make more sense. There's the Stinger V6, very nice acceleration, something different and a good car.

The Vette interior is no where near as nice as a new M4 or M8 interior, M cars are performance oriented also so they are driver's cars.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Umbriel

The Vette interior is no where near as nice as a new M4 or M8 interior, M cars are performance oriented also so they are driver's cars.

I would argue the c8 interior is as nice or nicer than any 3/4 series interior. Bmw interiors aren’t what they used to be. They are also very bland looking and the materials aren’t that much nicer anymore. The m8 interior I agree is probably nicer but that car costs a lot more. Also something people tend to bring up when comparing camaro’s and mustangs to the Germans is orange peel. A modern 3/4 series will have an equal amount of it. BMW quality is way down these days.

[Vettethret]

Originally Posted by Vaska

Boring, dull, uninspiring. BMW cars are watered down and approaching Tesla levels of appliances.

You have no clue. I have a 22 X3M Comp that destroys cars at twice the price. Tune only Mid 10's, 0-60 in high 2's, Corners like a sports car and its an SUV!

[Umbriel]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I would argue the c8 interior is as nice or nicer than any 3/4 series interior. Bmw interiors aren’t what they used to be. They are also very bland looking and the materials aren’t that much nicer anymore. The m8 interior I agree is probably nicer but that car costs a lot more. Also something people tend to bring up when comparing camaro’s and mustangs to the Germans is orange peel. A modern 3/4 series will have an equal amount of it. BMW quality is way down these days.

I guess it's a preference thing because the C8 I sat in wasn't close interior wise to me to the new M4s or M8s, I actually looked at C8s before deciding to go M4 or M8.

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[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Umbriel

That is with older ones, N63? This particular version, S63, has only been around for 3 years now. Besides I put 2000 miles a year on my toy car so it would probably be a long time before I would have to worry about it.

BMW just doesn't have a good track record with their V8s. S65 had a lot of issues with the main bearings as well. I don't think that will be changing.

As for the interior, it's to each of their own. I personally wouldn't put much emphasis on it. In fact, sometimes less is more for them. I drove one of my friends' NA Miata and I loved how simple and basic the interior is. It's just you, the car, and the wind brushing against your hair with the top down. Even the ND Miata has a nice yet simplistic interior compared to a lot of stuff on the market right now. ND is perfectly daily driveable without the bells and whistles becoming distracting and adding a ton of weight. It's not like I will be sleeping in the car, so as long as the interior matches the price of the car, I am willing to accept it.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I'll say this too,

Cars like the SS or SS 1LE are driver's cars. They are more raw. They are more engaging. They are not always as fast in a straight line, but almost always faster and funner to drive when it gets curvy.

Cars like the 240 are quick, but isolating road noise and feel. They are designed to be smoother. Smoother engine mounts, transmissions, etc. These only start to get to a harder edge with the actual "M" cars like M2 and even then some of them are still not very engaging, just very very quick (but some are getting rave reviews like the M2C).

It's a different style totally. The 2SS interior I have doesn't suck, but the car doesn't isolate like my BMW did or my Stinger does.

This reminds me of a review comparing SS 1LE to M2C. It's funny how they swapped places over the course of a few decades. BMW used to be the more engaging, less fast yet fun to drive kind, while American ponies are more like cruisers that focus more on straight line acceleration. How the times change...

[FarmerFran]

And you all bitched at me for going Challenger as my alternative - sheesh.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

And you all bitched at me for going Challenger as my alternative - sheesh.

I don't recall myself doing it.

I mentioned a few times that I'd own one in an alternate timeline where I didn't own my RX-8.

[Umbriel]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

BMW just doesn't have a good track record with their V8s. S65 had a lot of issues with the main bearings as well. I don't think that will be changing.

As for the interior, it's to each of their own. I personally wouldn't put much emphasis on it. In fact, sometimes less is more for them. I drove one of my friends' NA Miata and I loved how simple and basic the interior is. It's just you, the car, and the wind brushing against your hair with the top down. Even the ND Miata has a nice yet simplistic interior compared to a lot of stuff on the market right now. ND is perfectly daily driveable without the bells and whistles becoming distracting and adding a ton of weight. It's not like I will be sleeping in the car, so as long as the interior matches the price of the car, I am willing to accept it.



This reminds me of a review comparing SS 1LE to M2C. It's funny how they swapped places over the course of a few decades. BMW used to be the more engaging, less fast yet fun to drive kind, while American ponies are more like cruisers that focus more on straight line acceleration. How the times change...

I guess that's why they make different cars, I feel completely the opposite when it comes to the interior of rhe car. As far as engine issues I researched and didn't really see anything out of the ordinary so I'm not worried about it at all.

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[kropscamaro16]

my buddy sold his used 18 1le and got a m2 but not a m2c he loves it but dont think hes tracked it yet


ive been on track with a few m2 here in socal and they tend to keep up pretty well with the ss and ss 1le cars on track

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I'll say this too,

Cars like the SS or SS 1LE are driver's cars. They are more raw. They are more engaging. They are not always as fast in a straight line, but almost always faster and funner to drive when it gets curvy.

Cars like the 240 are quick, but isolating road noise and feel. They are designed to be smoother. Smoother engine mounts, transmissions, etc. These only start to get to a harder edge with the actual "M" cars like M2 and even then some of them are still not very engaging, just very very quick (but some are getting rave reviews like the M2C).

It's a different style totally. The 2SS interior I have doesn't suck, but the car doesn't isolate like my BMW did or my Stinger does.

I agree, I have an Infinity Red sport as my drive to work car which I would say falls into the same as the BMW, I drive this car to work because I don't care about the miles and if it gets door dings. If this was my performance car it would have been sold a long time ago.

[LA_LT1]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

One of the tracks I go to actually used M240i as their track cars, which they use for HPDE. Those can handle well, though as others said, it wouldn't match the Camaro SS.

I personally wouldn't buy a BMW. Lease them. Generally, you don't want to have one on hand once the warranty goes. They just aren't special anymore to justify dealing with their crap. IMO something like E9x M3 could be worth the hassle with the S65 engine, but the newer stuff just lost their charm, especially considering how far the American competition has come.



IMO Porsche is worth it, but the others are pretty much meh, given how well the Camaro performs.

Today I drove the new G80 M3 at a BMW event... wow what a machine if you can get past the looks of the front end. If you need a 4 door with smoking performance, and a warranty- its the one to get.
BMW has come a long way with their EPS.

As an E92 M3 owner for 5 years.. I can tell you the S65 engine is special, but can't touch the LT1 when it comes to performance. The S65 does not have much torque, but revving it to 8400 RPM never gets old. If you like a 'honda' style power delivery you would love the S65 as it comes 'on cam' at 6,000 RPM and screams like a race engine with 8 ITBs. However, parts are expensive and the rod bearings will be need to be replaced. Over 50,000 miles I have spent close to $8K on maintenance, not including oil changes..with heavy 10W-60. Above 100 mph the BMW feels more stable than the Camaro.. maybe it has better aero and autobahn development.

The Camaro LT1 handles better than the E92 M3 did stock (below 100 mph), gets better fuel economy and feels much faster. I would rather have a Camaro than the new M4.

The E92 M3 is a special car but if you are used to LT1 torque you will likely be disappointed

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Umbriel

I guess it's a preference thing because the C8 I sat in wasn't close interior wise to me to the new M4s or M8s, I actually looked at C8s before deciding to go M4 or M8.

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Good video on the interior.

IMO, it is MUCH more exotic than an M4 and looks like it over an M8 as well.



We start to get into the huge bias situations where BMW owners excuse "miles of plastic" in their own cars, somehow thinking their interiors are chiseled from solid gold, inlaid with diamonds and goat-balls leather.

[Umbriel]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Good video on the interior.

IMO, it is MUCH more exotic than an M4 and looks like it over an M8 as well.



We start to get into the huge bias situations where BMW owners excuse "miles of plastic" in their own cars, somehow thinking their interiors are chiseled from solid gold, inlaid with diamonds and goat-balls leather.

I'll watch it this evening when I get a chance. Thanks!

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