2017 NFL Season Talk

[PoorMansCamaro]

People that bring up QB rating, is proof you have no idea what you are talking about. In the era Marino played, only Montana and Young had better Rating. Elway, Kelly, aikman, moon, Cunningham, oh, and bob griese, all have less QB rating. So just please stop.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Congrats to Buffalo

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

I wonder how much Cam Newton got paid to throw the game vs. ATL today? I've never seen a worse performance by him.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

QB’s are more protected now. You look at them funny and it’s a flag. DB’s can’t do nearly as much as they used to, without getting a flag. Both these have drastically made the nfl more of a scoring league. Makes it easier for QB’s to get yards and score more. If you didn’t know that, watch more football from the 80-90’s and now.

Just because you can throw the ball far, doesn’t mean you are a good or great QB.

Yes, I’m a fins fan, but I am not bias. You can’t name one other QB who could pass the ball better. Are there better overall QB’s? Sure, that’s debatable. Like Peyton Manning. I think he’s one of the greatest. Montana, has a great supporting cast, but he was still great. We could go on. But comparing stats between an era of football from 20-30 years ago is ridiculous.

Makes it easier to get yards and touchdowns? No it makes it easier for the defense to get penalized. The only real difference is the high hits. As long as the defensive person doesn't hit high or late, he isn't getting flagged. A QB gets no increase in yards, TD's, or QB rating for a penalty on them.

Can't name 1 QB who could pass better? Marino had a 59.4% completion ratio for his career. Tied for 50th all time.

Marino is 26th all time for touchdown/interception ratio.

Marino was good, but saying he was the best to ever throw the ball is ridiculous.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

If crap QB’s didn’t win SB’s, then I could see the argument about Marino having none. Winning the SB is obviously a team achievement. If Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are better than Marino, then ok, you got me...

No one compared Johnson or Dilfer to Marino.
I made the comparison that Matthew Stafford was on the same road Marino took, being a really good QB who won't win a SB. Their stats are very similar.

The statement was also made that Marino is better than Brady, which is ridiculous. Brady's stats are better in every single rating category. I don't know why people hate Brady so much. I didn't like seeing him devour my team in the 4th quarter in the SB last year, but I have the common sense to realize that when it comes to QB's, Brady is the GOAT. I don't think any other QB could have done it, even with all of ATL's stupid play calls. Brady still had to play perfect to win the game. And he absolutely did, shattering several SB records. The guy is incredible. I wish ATL had him.

No one said Marino wasn't good, but he's not even in the conversation when it comes to "best ever", unless your talking best to never win a super bowl, but he can't win that either. Fran Tarkenton has the lock on that one. Made it to 4, lost all 4.

[Norris Camaro]

I was a football fan my entire life and I actually played college football but today my family and ALL my friends could care less about the National Felon League.

We have better things to do on Sundays and Monday nights than watch a bunch of cry baby felon-criminals play a stupid game where you bash your brains to mush. Let them have it at for all I care.

I think Mr. Massie said it best ......

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

QB’s are more protected now. You look at them funny and it’s a flag. DB’s can’t do nearly as much as they used to, without getting a flag. Both these have drastically made the nfl more of a scoring league. Makes it easier for QB’s to get yards and score more. If you didn’t know that, watch more football from the 80-90’s and now.

Actually, the rules for DBs in regards to illegal hands/holding/pass interference has been basically the same rule since the 70's. They re-emphasized it the year Marino first threw for over 5k yards....did the same again in 2004 after the badly officiated AFC Championship game in 2003.

Both years resulted in high yards/record year TD passing.

However, the rule has not really changed regarding the illegal contact. Now, in the case of tackling, that is a different story...

[Norris Camaro]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Actually, the rules for DBs in regards to illegal hands/holding/pass interference has been basically the same rule since the 70's.

The game has changed so much in the last 10 years. Today it's a different game. Add to that the very serious Concussion issue that will never go away, and no responsible parent will allow their son to play this game anymore. Add yet the criminal-thug-element playing the game today, zero respect for our Armed Forces and local Police that protect us all. No thanks. My family and friends have discovered new activities to do on Sundays and honestly I hope the league suffers and eventually folds because the owners and players underestimated the voice of the common man. And at the end of the day the league's game attendance is way down as is revenue. Again let them suffer for all I care.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by Norris Camaro

The game has changed so much in the last 10 years. Today it's a different game. Add to that the very serious Concussion issue that will never go away, and no responsible parent will allow their son to play this game anymore. Add yet the criminal-thug-element playing the game today, zero respect for our Armed Forces and local Police that protect us all. No thanks. My family and friends have discovered new activities to do on Sundays and honestly I hope the league suffers and eventually folds because the owners and players underestimated the voice of the common man. And at the end of the day the league's game attendance is way down as is revenue. Again let them suffer for all I care.

I see you are new, so in case you didn't know, political discussions are not allowed, it's against forum rules. This thread is for discussing football, not political opinion. This topic has already came up in this thread before, and a moderator removed several posts. See post #187 on page 14 of this thread. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...493246&page=14

[Norris Camaro]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

I see you are new, so in case you didn't know, political discussions are not allowed, it's against forum rules. This thread is for discussing football, not political opinion. This topic has already came up in this thread before, and a moderator removed several posts. See post #187 on page 14 of this thread.

My sincerest apologies. Yes I am a new member. I did not know I could not express my opinion about the game itself. I added my two cents about Marino vs Brady then added my current feeling on the game itself. If I broke a rule, I am sorry. Thanks for telling me I cannot voice my opinion about the state of the game.

Happy new year to all

[Kenny Camaro]

Originally Posted by sherob

bob Uecker?

Lol.. I like it!

[Kenny Camaro]

Well, if it's all about personal stats to determine who the best QB's are, even as pertaining as to the best of the individual franchise, the stat of who achieved the ultimate goal is the stat that carries the most weight. Not about how many yards or touchdowns you put up against overmatched opponents. Is Matt Stafford the best QB the Lions ever had? He owns the record book. No, he may never, and probably will never be. Bobby Layne is the best Lions QB by a long shot. How manyQB's have lead their team to three consecutive NFL championships and won back to back championships? Not the 135 million dollar man. Bobby Layne did. Who helped their team to four championship title games in six years, winning three, Milt Plum started in 57, as Layne was injured in the regular season. Bobby Layne. It's amazing to me that some people want to stand on both sides of the argument of who's the best, even as it pertains to their favorite team. Is it a team game? If so , then team results carry more weight than the individual stat line.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

Makes it easier to get yards and touchdowns? No it makes it easier for the defense to get penalized. The only real difference is the high hits. As long as the defensive person doesn't hit high or late, he isn't getting flagged. A QB gets no increase in yards, TD's, or QB rating for a penalty on them.

Can't name 1 QB who could pass better? Marino had a 59.4% completion ratio for his career. Tied for 50th all time.

Marino is 26th all time for touchdown/interception ratio.

Marino was good, but saying he was the best to ever throw the ball is ridiculous.

This is a much higher scoring league than it was in the 80,s and 90’s. Not because of better QB’s, but because of the way the game has changed. That’s a fact.

Completion percentage? You realize that stat also relies on someone catching the football, right? What a pathetic argument. If you are using that, then you MUST believe chad Pennington is a better qb than Marino. Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, Andy Dalton, and many many more are better than Marino. LOL

Looks like you are just a stats guy. Never even watched Marino play. Oh well.

You still haven’t named a better PASSER. I know there are better overall QB’s. But when it comes to passing, you’ve never seen a QB throw like Marino.

[102SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Congrats to Buffalo

Thank You its been a long long time