The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

What is the point of this post, besides to stir sh*t

Nobody commented on the fact that everyone said it wouldn't handle boost yet, so I thought I should. What's the point of going into the thread about the same kit in the "other vehicles" section and saying it's unimpressive and people need to stop hating on the ls3 (when nobody was, whatsoever.) What could that do other than stir shit?

Everyone said the 5.0 wouldn't handle boost and had the same limits as the 4.6 because the rod material is the same ( ) and when anything different was said, the posters were ridiculed and told they didn't know what they were talking about. Well, looks like it was the opposite. Since there is really nothing to say to counter the point now, it shouldn't stir any shit. On the other hand, maybe it will make people think twice about making stupid assumptions like they have been on both sides the entire time these cars have been competing.

[Huggerorange73]

I suggest you spend a few minutes reading all of all or nothings posts and check back with me.

Never a positive a thing to say about GM ever. Last I checked this is a CAMARO forum.

I'll bet ya my car's title that if I went onto a Mustang forum with both guns blazing about how awesome my LS3 was I'd get a royal beatdown of epic proportions....that's the point you're missing. I have given Ford props multiple times in my posts. Aside from Sax, I've seen very little in support of anything Chevy related from the Ford nutswingers here.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I suggest you spend a few minutes reading all of all or nothings posts and check back with me.

Never a positive a thing to say about GM ever. Last I checked this is a CAMARO forum.

I'll bet ya my car's title that if I went onto a Mustang forum with both guns blazing about how awesome my LS3 was I'd get a royal beatdown of epic proportions....that's the point you're missing. I have given Ford props multiple times in my posts. Aside from Sax, I've seen very little in support of anything Chevy related from the Ford nutswingers here.

I didn't say anything about All or Nothings posts in general. . . I don't follow his posts, but it looks to me like he drives a bmw. All I saw was him posting the information about the blower kit and saying nothing else. He didn't say a word about the ls3, nor did anyone else in the thread. The only thing remotely close to hating on the ls3 was a few CAMARO owners saying that GM needed to offer something similar. You then posted this -

"why do you blue oval guys treat it like it's a second rate pile of sh*t?" (this in reference to the ls3). Nobody in that thread came in "both guns blazing about how awesome [the 5.0] is" it was simply information about a new blower kit offered by ford in the OTHER VEHICLES section, exactly where it belonged. There was zero debate and zero hate toward the camaro.

So, I'll ask you this, in that thread specifically, who was stirring shit? If you think it was anyone but yourself, you are naive.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

So instead of trying to bash GM, which is pointless, use it to give kudos to Ford which they deserve.

That does not fit some peoples agenda around here. They will use whatever to bash GM.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

That does not fit some peoples agenda around here. They will use whatever to bash GM.

DING! DING! DING! WINNER!

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I didn't say anything about All or Nothings posts in general. . . I don't follow his posts, but it looks to me like he drives a bmw. All I saw was him posting the information about the blower kit and saying nothing else. He didn't say a word about the ls3, nor did anyone else in the thread. The only thing remotely close to hating on the ls3 was a few CAMARO owners saying that GM needed to offer something similar. You then posted this -

"why do you blue oval guys treat it like it's a second rate pile of sh*t?" (this in reference to the ls3). Nobody in that thread came in "both guns blazing about how awesome [the 5.0] is" it was simply information about a new blower kit offered by ford in the OTHER VEHICLES section, exactly where it belonged. There was zero debate and zero hate toward the camaro.

So, I'll ask you this, in that thread specifically, who was stirring shit? If you think it was anyone but yourself, you are naive.

Just as naive as you if you don't see what's happening with your own 2 eyes on this forum with some of the Ford crew.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I suggest you spend a few minutes reading all of all or nothings posts and check back with me.

Never a positive a thing to say about GM ever. Last I checked this is a CAMARO forum.

LOL......go ahead and spend some time reading ALL my posts and you will be wrong. I have said lot's of positive things about different areas of GM but I don't sugar coat any of my comments either. I would just post the links but it seems like you could handle the research.


Also NO ONE bashed the LS3 engine at all. At least I know I didn't bash it.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I suggest you spend a few minutes reading all of all or nothings posts and check back with me.

Never a positive a thing to say about GM ever. Last I checked this is a CAMARO forum.

I'll bet ya my car's title that if I went onto a Mustang forum with both guns blazing about how awesome my LS3 was I'd get a royal beatdown of epic proportions....that's the point you're missing. I have given Ford props multiple times in my posts. Aside from Sax, I've seen very little in support of anything Chevy related from the Ford nutswingers here.

all or nothings's threads he has started are the equivalent of posting about the news of the day found on all the car enthusiast sites. He posted it in the correct section and did not bash the LS3 as you have said he has. What the news does show is that Ford knows how to bring excitement to its base better than GM does by offering options and add-on's with factory warranty's at affordable prices that GM has not been able to match or chooses not to so far. Yes, the aftermarket for the Camaro is strong, however those add-on's make the factory warranty disappear. What you need to do is demand that GM compete with Ford and try and one up them. The last thing GM needs is to fall behind in the muscle car wars for too much longer because they will lose sales. Negative car reviews for the Camaro and positive ones for the 5.0 will hurt sales. To what degree is yet to be seen but we'll know by the end of the year.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

LOL......go ahead and spend some time reading ALL my posts and you will be wrong. I have said lot's of positive things about different areas of GM but I don't sugar coat any of my comments either. I would just post the links but it seems like you could handle the research.


Also NO ONE bashed the LS3 engine at all. At least I know I didn't bash it.

Fair enough good sir.........I tend to not sugar coat things either.

Now, I'm not a Ford guy, so most of my info comes from other Ford guys and the links and magazines they provide.

Here's what I read about the rods :
Connecting Rods
The connecting rods are forged from powdered metal and designed for reduced weight. The small end features a bronze bushing and full floating pin. With the 5.0 Liters center-to-center length the same as a 4.6-liter engine, we imagine the Manley H-beam type connecting rods found in the 2003-2004 Terminator Cobra would be an easy upgrade for this engine. Race engine builders looking to up the 5.0 liters power output past 600 hp should consider forged H-beam rod

That came from this write up on Stang TV == > http://www.stangtv.com/forum/new-5-0...eady-6957.html

I know for a fact I can push my internally stock LS3 to 600 tire horsepower without any inernal mods. GM is doing it right by providing you with a stellar foundation to build on. Yes the Camaro weighs 200 pounds more, but it's pretty easy to make that up right quick.

Both cars are proving to be stout starting points for the car lovers. I'm 41, and I can tell you this....if you had a 600 horsepower you were GOD. Fast forward to today and not only can you have insane horsepower lovers, but you can drive them anywhere and knock down 20 plus mpg...not to mention all the modern convience and safety features.

The bickering is tiresome and pointless, esp on a Chevrolet forum....ya see my point?

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Supermans

Yes, the aftermarket for the Camaro is strong, however those add-on's make the factory warranty disappear. .

Doesn't the new Ford Super charger make all your powertrain warranty go away except for 12 months? I believe some Camaro aftermarket superchargers warranty for 3/36. I believe when the aftermarket gets going for the 5.0, the superchargers offered will be a better deal.

[wbt]

I think there are some overly sensitive members here however on the other side of the fence I could see how this happens as there has been some face rubbing going on with the news lately from Ford.

Boss 302
FRPP S/C kits
Faster stock times
etc...

I really think GM does need to step up to the plate here to combat but they have a lot more going on with the company atm. Ford not being in the same situation has business agility on it's side hence their get to market capabilities are better. Once GM gets over the IPO and a couple of other short term hurdles we will begin to see better agility from them. Patience.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by wbt

I think there are some overly sensitive members here however on the other side of the fence I could see how this happens as there has been some face rubbing going on with the news lately from Ford.

Boss 302
FRPP S/C kits
Faster stock times
etc...

I really think GM does need to step up to the plate here to combat but they have a lot more going on with the company atm. Ford not being in the same situation has business agility on it's side hence their get to market capabilities are better. Once GM gets over the IPO and a couple of other short term hurdles we will begin to see better agility from them. Patience.

Thank you kind sir

I don't think it's overly sensitive as much as it's just tiring. At least that's how I feel.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Doesn't the new Ford Super charger make all your powertrain warranty go away except for 12 months? I believe some Camaro aftermarket superchargers warranty for 3/36. I believe when the aftermarket gets going for the 5.0, the superchargers offered will be a better deal.

A supercharger companies warranty is pretty much worthless. If your engine blows, they will not replace parts that are not theirs.

Lose a piston? too bad.
Put a hole in your block? Not my problem.
Supercharger breaks? Fine, we'll fix that.

I think that anyone who is a middle class wage earner and spends tens of thousands of dollars modifying a car they can't use fully and legally on public roads is a financial idiot.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Doesn't the new Ford Super charger make all your powertrain warranty go away except for 12 months? I believe some Camaro aftermarket superchargers warranty for 3/36. I believe when the aftermarket gets going for the 5.0, the superchargers offered will be a better deal.

Without a doubt, aftermarket supercharger companies offer their own warranties. But they do not touch a factory warranty.. Both the LS3 and the 5.0 are great engines in their own right and both can achieve incredible power with add-on's and superchargers. The new technology in the Ford Coyote engine is a new architecture which is why their supercharger would be the one I would get above aftermarket. Simply because they have had a years worth of testing behind their belt while aftermarket companies will try and get theirs out as quickly as possible.. In a couple years we'll know about reliability of these superchargers which will be about the time I could or would be able to afford one...

Originally Posted by alrox

A supercharger companies warranty is pretty much worthless. If your engine blows, they will not replace parts that are not theirs.

Lose a piston? too bad.
Put a hole in your block? Not my problem.
Supercharger breaks? Fine, we'll fix that.

I think that anyone who is a middle class wage earner and spends tens of thousands of dollars modifying a car they can't use fully and legally on public roads is a financial idiot.

In other words if you are not going to take your car regularly to a track, there is no need for 650HP or more... I agree.. I have no use for 400 plus HP already and speeds that match a 2009 GT500 with my 5.0 0-60.. But it is fun gunning it up a turnpike ramp and passing some vehicles every now and then quickly to get around them.