The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Americanmuscle11]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Fazm the low roof line isn't a problem in the least for one thing you can adjust the seats up and down and 6'9 Andrew Bynum that plays for the Lakers owns a 2010 Rally yellow Camaro with a sun roof if he can fit almost anyone can so your point there is null and void. Yeah I do admit the car does have blind spots due to the design but the blind spots can be fixed in due time with the evolution of the car over the years as most cars do. Also almost all cars have their blind spots and it hasnt caused me much of a problem with driving the car.

Most people can probably fit in the new Camaro OK with a decent amount of headroom, visibility is the issue.
Explain to me how GM will fix the Camaros blind spot problem for the 5th Gen? They won't.
Most cars have minimal blindspots as the manufacture try's to prevent this in the design from the beginning. Most cars do not have a C pillar the size of Texas. I'm glad it hasen't caused you much of a problem, the automotive press disagrees. The Camaro has a great look though it comes at the price of many compromises. Performance all the way to safety.

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

I hope Matt is MAD personally he's the one that decided to film and post his stupid review a year after the Camaro had even been out and puts up a lackluster review on a go-kart track with a toy model of the car taped to the front and then proceeds to continually bash the car to no end throughout the review. Then to top matters off he reviews a new 5.0 Mustang saying he used to have one or it was his first car and praises it with no faults when we all know there is no such thing as an unfaulty car no matter what brand unless its like a ZR-1 or something similar like that out of price range. What I want to happen is for Chevrolet to own the Mustang to no end with the Z/28 and the next gen Lighter alpha platform Camaro to prove how stupid Matt is in the first place.

Matt's review was true. He just mentions what has been stated by all media before. So he likes the new 5.0? What faults does it have? It does have a better engine, better handling and better all around performance. It's quality is much better then the Camaro SS too. Ford benchmarked the M3. The 5.0 is faster then an M3 on a drag strip and handles just as good on a road course for far less cash. Did I mention it makes the Camaro SS look like a linebacker trying to run a marathon? The new Camaro Z28 will not own the new GT500. Will it be as fast as a new GT500? maybe. Quicker? possibly.
Just a heads up...Ford doesn't sit on it's hands waiting for GM to make the next move. The next generation Mustang will also be lighter and smaller overall. Probably a better car then the next Camaro too
Matt Farah is far from stupid. If one can get his own automotive review show, known website and get sponsored for all sort's of Automotive events for being stupid, sign me up.

[All-Or-Nothing]

If they do have a comparison with the Boss 302 then it would only be fair to compare it to the M3 track version also. I think the Laguna Seca version would be the best comparison.

The M3 GTS is 450HP and 440lbs lighter. (yes 3,285lbs) It will definately give the Boss a good race.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/11...e-version.html

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

You guys have a supercharger. We have a supercharger. I have no doubt that these kits are both good kits that will lead to great performance. I do, however, doubt that anyone springing for these kits will be stock. Look at the whole package.

Does a GMPP Camaro beat a Ford Racing Mustang after everything has been installed?

Let's take this even further. Does it matter? You Ford guys over here will come up with an explanation for increased power, but don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

Of course, you won't agree. That's why you drive Mustangs. They are good cars. I can't fault you for having the good taste to buy a decent American product. I just wonder why so much emphasis is placed on spreading Mustang gospel on a clearly Camaro website. We won't be buying this kit here, so I wonder why so many of you today have chosen to advertise a kit made for our competitors.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

don't forget that your powertrain warranty is shorter than ours for good reason. The build quality of a car can be determined both by how powerful you can make it without breaking and by how long it rides at that level of performance. Testing has led to higher warranty standards at GM because the products are designed to last longer.

Of course, you won't agree.

Nope, they won't agree and their answer will be that warranty's are just a gimmick. You watch.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Americanmuscle11

The Camaro has a great look though it comes at the price of many compromises. Performance all the way to safety.

How many cars with the SS's price are faster in the 1/4 and can run the Nuremburg ring at the time the SS did. HMMMMMMM??? Not very damn many.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. How many Camaro owners have had accidents due to the C pillar? Any idiot can adjust to the needs of any car. The safety issue is the driver.

[BADNESS]

Thumbs up to Ford for being on top of their game. However, with enough time, money, and dedication you can make ANY car fast. Its just what you want to be seen in at the end of the day. What'll it be gentlemen?

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

If they do have a comparison with the Boss 302 then it would only be fair to compare it to the M3 track version also. I think the Laguna Seca version would be the best comparison.

The M3 GTS is 450HP and 440lbs lighter. (yes 3,285lbs) It will definately give the Boss a good race.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/11...e-version.html

that would rape the boss on a track. a no compromise suspension with more power and less weight? yikes. but isnt the price tag around 100-110k?

very sexy orange though

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

that would rape the boss on a track. a no compromise suspension with more power and less weight? yikes. but isnt the price tag around 100-110k?

very sexy orange though

Yeah it cost a lot more but be prepared for a comparison test.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

Yeah it cost a lot more but be prepared for a comparison test.

Is that M3 slated for sale in the US? If it is a Europe-only club racer, then there will be no test. Anyway, only better for the future M3 if the Boss clobbers it, as it willl come back with more HP and a lot more torque.....

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing

If they do have a comparison with the Boss 302 then it would only be fair to compare it to the M3 track version also. I think the Laguna Seca version would be the best comparison.

The M3 GTS is 450HP and 440lbs lighter. (yes 3,285lbs) It will definately give the Boss a good race.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/11...e-version.html

But at $170k no thanks

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

You will see gains without doubt...what's he's pointing to is the fact that longtubes on LS series engines have always been worth 30+ RWHP.

I doubt you're going to see that large of a gain on the 5.0 when the factory suppiled manifold is light years ahead of the OEM LS3 manifold.

Ya see what we're sayin

You don't have to preach to me, brother. While I've never owned an LS3-equipped car, I have owned LS1 and LS2 powered vehicles and have helped others wrench on a lot of them. I am very aware of what a set of longtubes bring to the table for a LS-series engine.

[Sax1031]

I's be willing to bet the reason ford is not offering longer warranties has more to do with the bottom line than being afraid the motor won't lasts.

Ford has some of the toughest durability and reliability tests in the business.

[snakekiller]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

But at $170k no thanks

att that price their really not comparable

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by snakekiller

att that price their really not comparable

To be fair they were not comparable to start with.

But ~$170k car is definitely not at all comparable to a ~$40k car.