INSIDE LINE Tests Manual '10 Camaro SS vs '11 Mustang GT

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Come on Money... the LS9 already exists with 638HP. Even if U add 110HP to the 550HP GT500 U are at 660HP. Do U really think that the LS9 couldn't be simply tuned up another 23HP to beat it?

I kno for a fact that I can kick out $600 and get the hardware to move my 556HP LSA to 630HP/630lbs of torque... anytime

I seriously doubt that GM will put the LS9 in the Z/28 and sell it at a price comparable to the GT500. I would give Chevy a lot of respect if they did that. I just don't see them offering basically the ZR1 power train for less than half of the cost of the ZR1.

I think seeing the LSA in the Z/28 is much more realistic. But GM better watch out. They would not be wise to just slap the LSA, unchanged, from the CTS-Vs into the Z28. Those pistons in the LSA are not up to the tasks of 650+hp while having to provide factory warranty. And if they were crazy enough to factory warranty the motor would pretty much be maxed without internal modifications.

The rods are the weak points on the GT500, but they give you more of a ceiling than hyper-explode-itis pistons would.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I seriously doubt that GM will put the LS9 in the Z/28 and sell it at a price comparable to the GT500. I would give Chevy a lot of respect if they did that. I just don't see them offering basically the ZR1 power train for less than half of the cost of the ZR1.

I think seeing the LSA in the Z/28 is much more realistic. But GM better watch out. They would not be wise to just slap the LSA, unchanged, from the CTS-Vs into the Z28. Those pistons in the LSA are not up to the tasks of 650+hp while having to provide factory warranty. And if they were crazy enough to factory warranty the motor would pretty much be maxed without internal modifications.

The rods are the weak points on the GT500, but they give you more of a ceiling than hyper-explode-itis pistons would.

Dodge did it with the Ram SRT10 and Viper. Also, the LSA has lasted 200+ hours at full throttle. That's pretty reliable for "hyper-explode-itis" pistons.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Dodge did it with the Ram SRT10 and Viper. Also, the LSA has lasted 200+ hours at full throttle. That's pretty reliable for "hyper-explode-itis" pistons.

But they didn't do it with the Challenger/Charger and the Viper. And they were never charging 110k for the Viper either.

I am sure the LSA is rock solid at 556hp. I am just saying ford has an easy 660hp that it will already warranty on the GT500. The Z/28 should be planned to be 650hp at least.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Dodge did it with the Ram SRT10 and Viper. Also, the LSA has lasted 200+ hours at full throttle. That's pretty reliable for "hyper-explode-itis" pistons.

whose to say 200+ hours is a real milestone? how long did the regular LS3 last at WOT? or other engines for that matter?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

whose to say 200+ hours is a real milestone? how long did the regular LS3 last at WOT? or other engines for that matter?

It lasted longer than the LS9 at full throttle...

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by a_Username

It lasted longer than the LS9 at full throttle...

then that would make me feel uneasy to push the LSA to only LS9 levels reliably let alone beyond that.

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

But they didn't do it with the Challenger/Charger and the Viper. And they were never charging 110k for the Viper either.

I am sure the LSA is rock solid at 556hp. I am just saying ford has an easy 660hp that it will already warranty on the GT500. The Z/28 should be planned to be 650hp at least.

z/28 engineers aren't looking at any 660hp gt500,
They're aiming for the 550 horse GT500.
What they need to do, is get performance very similar to the "stock" GT500, for the same or less money. If they do that, they'll have a hit

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

But they didn't do it with the Challenger/Charger and the Viper. And they were never charging 110k for the Viper either.

I am sure the LSA is rock solid at 556hp. I am just saying ford has an easy 660hp that it will already warranty on the GT500. The Z/28 should be planned to be 650hp at least.

They charged ~$80K for the 2004 Viper SRT10, while charging ~$45K for the 2004 Ram SRT10. That's roughly half price, so it wouldn't be farfetched for GM to offer a ~$55K LS9 equipped Camaro.

Those GT500 superchargers are Dealer Installed Options right? Not really factory optioned.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

then that would make me feel uneasy to push the LSA to only LS9 levels reliably let alone beyond that.

Can you find me a decently modified engine that lasts 200+ hours (I believe the real number was around 250) at WOT?

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by a_Username

They charged ~$80K for the 2004 Viper SRT10, while charging ~$45K for the 2004 Ram SRT10. That's roughly half price, so it wouldn't be farfetched for GM to offer a ~$55K LS9 equipped Camaro.

Those GT500 superchargers are Dealer Installed Options right? Not really factory optioned.

I wouldn't say it was completely out of the question to get a LS9 Camaro I just think it is highly unlikely.

It was far easier for dodge to offer the Viper power train in a Truck over say the Charger or Challenger.

Yes they are dealer installed options. Options that the Manufacturer researched and developed and more importantly still warranty. Ford would be in a VERY VERY easy position to change the supercharger on the assembly of the engine.

Ford designed the Super Pack and offers warranty on it. The next step is just to make it standard. It would not be hard for Ford at all to do this. And they have pretty much hinted at the fact they want to see what the Z/28 will be before they start slapping the TVS blower on the GT500s from the factory.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Can you find me a decently modified engine that lasts 200+ hours (I believe the real number was around 250) at WOT?

youre the one talking about it, you should post links for comparisons at least.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Mostly because the LS9 is a stronger motor, and a stronger starting point.

You can mod the LSA to similar power levels, but not as reliably or with as much safety.

There is making power and then there is making power safely. The super modded LSA is the former, the LS9 the latter.

The components in the LS9 are certainly "stronger" but that is hardly reason to say that the LSA can't handle an increase of 90HP. The LSA is hardly just an LS3 with a Super-charger thrown on top.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Another important factor that I see a lot of U are missing is that the Gen V V8s are literally due in 2 years.

The new V-8s will differ from the current versions by using direct injection and a new combustion system, spokeswoman Sharon Basel said. The next-generation engines will also be lighter. GM will build them exclusively from aluminum, compared with the current versions' aluminum and iron makeup, Basel said. All of the engines will be able to run on E85 ethanol.

Read more: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...#ixzz0mOf4uEch

The part about them having DI is old news.. but the advanced CC is interesting... and LIGHTER??? They are already damn lite for a V8... are we talking sub-400lb?

GM tested a DI Small Block way back in 2007 that was putting out over 450HP Naturally based off the LS2

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

youre the one talking about it, you should post links for comparisons at least.

You're the one who was skeptic of rather it was a milestone or not. I believe its your job to refute my claim there champ.