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Old 11-18-2008, 01:14 PM   #113
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Oh, no no no....this redesign....no thanks.

The current version is so much better. I'm sorry...but the ext on the new Stang is no where close to being as good looking as the current stang. The interior isn't bad, but ....meh on the exterior. Sorry...
+1 on that. I'm not fond of the 2010 Mustang. Looks like a bad body kit restyle of the 2005-9. The redo does work a little better on the convertible but still a for me. Check out the pics.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:15 PM   #114
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it looks pretty good; it needs the new powerplant to keep up performance wise but looks wise i think it did the job

Should've put up the lesser seen back and side view since we'll be seeing this view all the time in our Camaro.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:17 PM   #115
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Interior made by Tonka? That was stupid.
Oh no, your opinion means - NOTHING!

Bye-bye pony boy!

Go to a Mustang site and leave us alone.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:20 PM   #116
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Oh no, your opinion means - NOTHING!

Bye-bye pony boy!

Go to a Mustang site and leave us alone.
Or what... you'll e-fight me?

Give me a break.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:38 PM   #117
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i agree with those of you that think the current style looks good, opposed to the new look. 2010 style=FAIL. they should have just waited till they're brand spankin' new 2011 upgrade IMO.

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they fixed what wasn't broken. IMO
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:57 PM   #118
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wtf? it has a 51-49 weight distrobution, IRS that was tuned on a track, and high performance calipers/suspension setup. If i remind you, they tested this car against the mustang, but stopped bringing them because it was no longer competative in any category. The 2010 has a 15 hp spike and a 35lb gain... AKA they even out and its no faster than the mustangs that got burned by the test camaros. You want to compare handling of a mustang? go rent a golf cart.
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I'll chime in here and say I don't think the Camaro can handle with the Mustang GT, so long as that Mustang is equipped with the Track Package. (I'm throwing braking into the handling category here) IRS helps, but in this respect I think it will only make the heavier Camaro ride better than the GT, I don't beleive it will outhandle it.

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No opinions, the Camaro has more high quality aspects in the interior than the Mustang.
As best as I can tell from the photos, and I worked with automotive interiors for a looong time, materials quality and fit and finish look to be a wash. between the two. I personally prefer the Mustang's more classic, refined interior to the Camaro's more retro-futuristic approach and I am inclined to beleive most consumers will as well, but we wont really know what public opinion is in that respect until the sales numbers come in. My only Mustang interior sore spot remains the lack of a telescoping steering column. Seat comfort will remain an unknown for both cars until butt hits hide for the first time.

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And this will only go up when they add a real suspension and a bigger engine for 2011. Bye-bye weight advantage.
The suspension wont change anymore for 2011 since the 2010 GT gets the same stuff the 400hp 2011 will. The brakes from the Track Package will be standard with the 5.0L powered 2011 model, but that shouldn't add much weight. Look for less than a 100lb increase for 2011.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:00 PM   #119
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I'll chime in here and say I don't think the Camaro can handle with the Mustang GT, so long as that Mustang is equipped with the Track Package. (I'm throwing braking into the handling category here) IRS helps, but in this respect I think it will only make the heavier Camaro ride better than the GT, I don't beleive it will outhandle it.



As best as I can tell from the photos, and I worked with automotive interiors for a looong time, materials quality and fit and finish look to be a wash. between the two. I personally prefer the Mustang's more classic, refined interior to the Camaro's more retro-futuristic approach and I am inclined to beleive most consumers will as well, but we wont really know what public opinion is in that respect until the sales numbers come in. My only Mustang interior sore spot remains the lack of a telescoping steering column. Seat comfort will remain an unknown for both cars until butt hits hide for the first time.



The suspension wont change anymore for 2011 since the 2010 GT gets the same stuff the 400hp 2011 will. The brakes from the Track Package will be standard with the 5.0L powered 2011 model, but that shouldn't add much weight. Look for less than a 100lb increase for 2011.


The "track package" looks alot like the mustang bullit no?

the same bullit which was embarrassed by the challenger in a handling competition, which in turn was embarrassed by the camaro.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:15 PM   #120
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IMPOSSIBLE!!! that the mustang with the track package will out handle the Camaro ss, The "track package" is the same setup in the bullit, which means the same 60-0 braking of a pathetic (for a performance car) 127ft. The camaro has superior brakes and superior chasis and suspension. We just have to wait and see, But noway will the mustang out handle the camaro. Hmmm lets define handling- I mean the camaro will have better cornering grip, faster saloom speeds, SUPERIOR brakeing etc...
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:25 PM   #121
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The "track package" looks alot like the mustang bullit no?

the same bullit which was embarrassed by the challenger in a handling competition, which in turn was embarrassed by the camaro.
Yes and no. The gearing is the same, my understanding is that brakes go a bit further than the Bullitt and are the upgraded units meant for the 400hp GT, and the price of the package would seem to support this, but this particular area is a spot where I am a little weak since I have spent more time focusing on 2011 than 2010. I will absolutely clarify as soon as i know either way.

That said, 2010 Mustang GT suspension is quite a bit more evolved than what you saw with the old models. They used the Bullitt as a baseline but were't limited by that setup by any means, this car goes a lot further. Given what I know think of the handling transfomration from the C6 Z06 to the C6 ZR1 and you will be close, although the difference could be even greater than that.

I do expect reviewers to trash the Mustang in terms of ride quality and rough road stability because of the SRA, but honestly I think you will see that no matter how improved the car is. Hanging with the SRA brings some devotees to the table but it also carries a stigma.

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IMPOSSIBLE!!! that the mustang with the track package will out handle the Camaro ss, The "track package" is the same setup in the bullit, which means the same 60-0 braking of a pathetic (for a performance car) 127ft. The camaro has superior brakes and superior chasis and suspension. We just have to wait and see, But noway will the mustang out handle the camaro. Hmmm lets define handling- I mean the camaro will have better cornering grip, faster saloom speeds, SUPERIOR brakeing etc...
As mentioned above 2010 Mustang GT suspension is noticeably different than the one found in the Bullitt or any other 2009 and older Mustang. It is based on the Bullitt setup, much like a C6 ZR1 uses a suspension based on that found in the C6 Z06 or even the base C6. If
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:30 PM   #122
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Yes and no. The gearing is the same, my understanding is that brakes go a bit further than the Bullitt and are the upgraded units meant for the 400hp GT, and the price of the package would seem to support this, but this particular area is a spot where I am a little weak since I have spent more time focusing on 2011 than 2010. I will absolutely clarify as soon as i know either way.

That said, 2010 Mustang GT suspension is quite a bit more evolved than what you saw with the old models. They used the Bullitt as a baseline but were't limited by that setup by any means, this car goes a lot further. Given what I know think of the handling transfomration from the C6 Z06 to the C6 ZR1 and you will be close, although the difference could be even greater than that.

I do expect reviewers to trash the Mustang in terms of ride quality and rough road stability because of the SRA, but honestly I think you will see that no matter how improved the car is. Hanging with the SRA brings some devotees to the table but it also carries a stigma.



As mentioned above 2010 Mustang GT suspension is noticeably different than the one found in the Bullitt or any other 2009 and older Mustang. It is based on the Bullitt setup, much like a C6 ZR1 uses a suspension based on that found in the C6 Z06 or even the base C6. If

i am going to remain extremely skeptical until the obvious Mustang vs. Camaro vs. challenger comparisons start comming out.

but im going on record as saying camaro owns handling, and will win all the comparisons
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Hmmm so syr74 your saying that the 2010 mustang with 2 piston brakes (I don't know the size and thickness of the rotors) will out brake the camaro with 4 pot Brembos 14"/14.4" front/rear. I doubt it, Lets not forget that the G8 Gt stops from 60 in about 109-112ft, see that the camaro is lighter, i think the mustang is toast in the brakeing dept. I can't wait to see the comparison test in a couple of months, bragging right are on the line.
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:26 PM   #124
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Hmmm so syr74 your saying that the 2010 mustang with 2 piston brakes (I don't know the size and thickness of the rotors) will out brake the camaro with 4 pot Brembos 14"/14.4" front/rear. I doubt it, Lets not forget that the G8 Gt stops from 60 in about 109-112ft, see that the camaro is lighter, i think the mustang is toast in the brakeing dept. I can't wait to see the comparison test in a couple of months, bragging right are on the line.


We will see , fact is the 2011 Mustang with the ( COYOTE 5.0 400+ HP , 7000rpm redline) will be MUCH LIGHTER THAN THE COMPETITION , with improved BRAKING AND HANDELING , hell the 2010 STANG still only weighs 3480 pounds this is a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE for shure and will come into play with the new motor , the pony wars have just begun ...
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:54 PM   #125
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BULL, the 2011 mustang will not be under 3500lbs. The 2010 mustang is just under 3600, Not even syr74 make such a claim. Even he says the 2011 mustang will ADD weight not lose it. you seem to be Just another ford fan pulling out random number as if it was reality. I think your drinking too much koolaid.
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:21 PM   #126
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but they are far apart in weight the new 2010 is apparently only 35 pounds heavier then the 09 WOW great job FORD keeping the power to weight ratio down now all we need is that 5.0 to kick some ass , so much for the car will be much heavier due to safety regs etc. bs lol
You must be touched in the head. They don't have to conform to those regulations until next year. When the price will undoubtedly go up again.
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