2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Yea, sure! With the price of the 392 being 52k+ You would think the Hellcat with 200+ more HP would be only 8k more?

Base price on an SRT8 is $46,680. Thats the 392 with a manual. The Hellcat comes with the same equipment standard so we are looking at $13,220 difference in price for the forged crank, supercharger, upgraded clutch, different hood and upgraded rear. Why is that unreasonable to you?

Sure you can hit $52,000 if you add Nav and a sunroof, the auto transmission, black rims, an engine block heater, the $2000 upgraded 19 speaker sound system or however many it comes with and the $1000 for the plastic covered pedals and door sills and car cover. Thats the same argument as people saying a 1LE is $35,000 when all the cars tested by mags are $42,000+. You can price them all up very quickly.

Sure it gets bigger brembos 15.4 vs 14.2, but you only add the net difference. So if the 14" brembos cost $5000 and the 15.4's cost $7000 then its a $2000 net difference. (Those are fictional numbers just for example)

Same with the hood. If the SRT hood is $1000 and the Hellcat hood is $1500 then it nets +$500.

On the engine its a lot of the same parts except for the crank and pistons. Same block, heads, just about everything except the supercharger. Its not like they are adding the cost of a $20,000 motor to an SRT. Dont forget to credit the fact that it doesnt have fog lights and an intake manifold.

[Q'smuscle]

I'm talking about on dealer lots! They are 50k + and this Hellcat is a newer updated model with exterior changes. that itself is gonna cost you more on any trim ! And you know the SRT is going to be close to the. current 392! Than the 392 is going to be priced higher than the current! Than finally you get to the 200+ HP Hellcat that will have to be priced higher than the new 392 , not this current one that we're talking about! So this is where I'm pricing from!

[archtaan]

You're talking about market value adjustments. Won't be an issue. Many dealers on the boards have already promised they won't mark over Msrp. Same as you see with Camaros. some z28's have $20k takes on and some are at sticker. Just have to shop around.

Sure some will do it, but only an idiot will pay it with so many dealers around the country competing for sales.

The car will be less than $60k and might even squeak by without a gas guzzlers tax.

[macwest]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

I'm talking about on dealer lots! They are 50k + and this Hellcat is a newer updated model with exterior changes. that itself is gonna cost you more on any trim ! And you know the SRT is going to be close to the. current 392! Than the 392 is going to be priced higher than the current! Than finally you get to the 200+ HP Hellcat that will have to be priced higher than the new 392 , not this current one that we're talking about! So this is where I'm pricing from!

Dealer I have mine on pre-order is expecting between 59-65K. no options. They only have a few options if you order them then it could go to 70K . Orders start in august so in a few weeks we will have final numbers. Dodge is suppose to start production in September. For me even if it hits at 75K it is a hell of a better deal then a z/28 at the same price, that is if you can find a z/28 at MSRP.

Originally Posted by archtaan

The car will be less than $60k and might even squeak by without a gas guzzlers tax.

If it has no gas guzzler tax that would be great but I would bet that really depends on how much the new 8 speed helps with gas mileage.

[RoostKing]

Resume Speed "hinted" at a $59,000 base price and around a $66,000 loaded price. Only options are transmission, interior, possibly wheels. Unclear if the satin hood treatment costs $$. I have full confidence in RS's hints lol. I dont see how this car is going to avoid a GG tax.

[Denis]

707 from the factory is insane. honestly i think that maybe a pinnacle of horsepower for a V8 muscle car. i envision the cars to get smaller and lighter as time goes on.

however, i cant wait to see these on the the street.

i thought this was funny though, saw it on the Lingenfelter facebook page hahahaha

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

I will bet you $500 that this Hellcat won't come nowhere near $59,000, not even low 60s! That's to a gift and a dream! You want 100 plus HP for the same price as a ZL1? If it was that price than yea , it would be a better value! And would have to hold up like the ZL1 .

That reply had nothing to do with cost.

[ilirg]

Considering all the hell cat has over an SRT is a supercharger, bigger breaks and beefed up sway bars I can't see why it won't be in the 60k range? The ZL1 has magnetic ride and a more advanced overall suspension and costs that much. I hope it does cost that much, and hopefully force Chevy to keep their next variant of the ZL1 competitively priced.

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by big hammer

the hellcat is awesome but it's not beating anything on a roadcourse.

Since I have actually driven a stock 2012 392 Challenger at Raceway Parks road course (very twisty) in Jersey and beat it's ass for hours....I can tell you that thing handles pretty damn well for what it is...surprised me for sure....

So I speak from reality...not guessing.....

The SRT team is only saying it handles as well as any SRT product

.....but there is a rumor from an inside source saying the real surprise is that it also out performed the GT500 and ZL1 on a road course.....we will see.....

[2doorrocket]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Considering all the hell cat has over an SRT is a supercharger, bigger breaks and beefed up sway bars I can't see why it won't be in the 60k range? The ZL1 has magnetic ride and a more advanced overall suspension and costs that much. I hope it does cost that much, and hopefully force Chevy to keep their next variant of the ZL1 competitively priced.

You do realize the SRT's have had an = to magnetic ride control since 2012, what they refer to as active damping suspension? It works quite well, have you guys who are talking smack about SRT's handling even driven an SRT?

[ilirg]

Originally Posted by 2doorrocket

You do realize the SRT's have had an = to magnetic ride control since 2012, what they refer to as active damping suspension? It works quite well, have you guys who are talking smack about SRT's handling even driven an SRT?

I'm not smack talking at all, Did not realize that was the same as magnetic ride. Even more reason for the hell cat to be in the 60k range!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

.....but there is a rumor from an inside source saying the real surprise is that it also out performed the GT500 and ZL1 on a road course.....we will see.....

That must mean we will be seeing a Nurburgring video soon. That would send shock waves into the pony car wars!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by archtaan

might even squeak by without a gas guzzlers tax.

A 4400 lb car making 707 HP without gas guzzler tax. I'll take that bet on the when pigs fly side

[BaylorCamaro]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Since I have actually driven a stock 2012 392 Challenger at Raceway Parks road course (very twisty) in Jersey and beat it's ass for hours....I can tell you that thing handles pretty damn well for what it is...surprised me for sure....

So I speak from reality...not guessing.....

The SRT team is only saying it handles as well as any SRT product

.....but there is a rumor from an inside source saying the real surprise is that it also out performed the GT500 and ZL1 on a road course.....we will see.....

The ZL1 and 392 are closer in power than the Hellcat and ZL1 are, so I suspect that if the Hellcat can somehow put down as good or better numbers than the ZL1, it would be because of its horsepower advantage. Two track events ago there was a loaded 392 Challenger running around the track and it did well but did not hold a candle to the ZL1's. The 392's driver was the most experienced out of all of us too.

Great track times are more of a marketing gimmick for the general public the sad truth is most people do not run their car around the track at all so realistically it doesn't matter to them. MOST people will be drag racing or stop light racing these cars, in which case the Hellcat will likely be top dog (maybe a drivers race between it and the GT500).

Currently the market has a pony car that appeals to just about anyone's taste. If you want to road race Chevy offers the best product right now with the 1LE, ZL1 & Z/28. If you want to drag race Dodge and Ford have you covered with the Hellcat, 392 and GT500. Not to say that you can't drag race with a Camaro or road course race with a Challenger / Mustang.