2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

A 4400 lb car making 707 HP without gas guzzler tax. I'll take that bet on the when pigs fly side

They are already showing avg mpg on the trip computer at nearly 22 on the test cars, and you know those are run hard.

Remember it has very tall gears 2.75 or so and an 8 speed.

The GT500 makes 663 without a GG tax and it has much more aggressive gears and only a 6 speed.

Why is it impossible?

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by archtaan

They are already showing avg mpg on the trip computer at nearly 22 on the test cars, and you know those are run hard.

Remember it has very tall gears 2.75 or so and an 8 speed.

The GT500 makes 663 without a GG tax and it has much more aggressive gears and only a 6 speed.

Why is it impossible?

If they're running them hard and getting 22mpg, that's more amazing than 707 hp. I run my ZL1 somewhat hard and only get 12. That 22 can't be from running them hard...55 mph flat road with cruise control I could see.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by archtaan

They are already showing avg mpg on the trip computer at nearly 22 on the test cars, and you know those are run hard.

Remember it has very tall gears 2.75 or so and an 8 speed.

The GT500 makes 663 without a GG tax and it has much more aggressive gears and only a 6 speed.

Why is it impossible?

Past performance being an indicator of future results

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

That must mean we will be seeing a Nurburgring video soon. That would send shock waves into the pony car wars!

LOL....Hey ...I don't know what road course they supposedly did it on....might be an oval for all I know

I am on the list for a C7 Z06 so I expect to hand all the Muscle cars their asses on any road course.....as well as Porches

.....but I will have a Hellcat in my driveway...no doubt

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

The ZL1 and 392 are closer in power than the Hellcat and ZL1 are, so I suspect that if the Hellcat can somehow put down as good or better numbers than the ZL1, it would be because of its horsepower advantage. Two track events ago there was a loaded 392 Challenger running around the track and it did well but did not hold a candle to the ZL1's. The 392's driver was the most experienced out of all of us too.

Great track times are more of a marketing gimmick for the general public the sad truth is most people do not run their car around the track at all so realistically it doesn't matter to them. MOST people will be drag racing or stop light racing these cars, in which case the Hellcat will likely be top dog (maybe a drivers race between it and the GT500).

Currently the market has a pony car that appeals to just about anyone's taste. If you want to road race Chevy offers the best product right now with the 1LE, ZL1 & Z/28. If you want to drag race Dodge and Ford have you covered with the Hellcat, 392 and GT500. Not to say that you can't drag race with a Camaro or road course race with a Challenger / Mustang.

Pretty much agree with everything you said........

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

LOL....Hey ...I don't know what road course they supposedly did it on....might be an oval for all I know

I am on the list for a C7 Z06 so I expect to hand all the Muscle cars their asses on any road course.....as well as Porches

.....but I will have a Hellcat in my driveway...no doubt

Sounds like you have an awesome stable of cars! Congrats. Imagine having to choose...

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

The ZL1 and 392 are closer in power than the Hellcat and ZL1 are, so I suspect that if the Hellcat can somehow put down as good or better numbers than the ZL1, it would be because of its horsepower advantage. Two track events ago there was a loaded 392 Challenger running around the track and it did well but did not hold a candle to the ZL1's. The 392's driver was the most experienced out of all of us too.

Great track times are more of a marketing gimmick for the general public the sad truth is most people do not run their car around the track at all so realistically it doesn't matter to them. MOST people will be drag racing or stop light racing these cars, in which case the Hellcat will likely be top dog (maybe a drivers race between it and the GT500).

Currently the market has a pony car that appeals to just about anyone's taste. If you want to road race Chevy offers the best product right now with the 1LE, ZL1 & Z/28. If you want to drag race Dodge and Ford have you covered with the Hellcat, 392 and GT500. Not to say that you can't drag race with a Camaro or road course race with a Challenger / Mustang.

Good point...and I really like your avatar.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

It seems like every time the Camaro gets out gunned by our competitors in HP or beat in the 1/4 mile, someone has to bring up a road course and how the Camaro (1LE, ZL1, or Z28) will run circles around them.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Because when Chevy introduced the ZL1 it was the fastest on the 1/4 mile strip and the track. Ford and Dodge have not replicated that. Incomplete.

Originally Posted by hockeylover86

Fastest in the 1/4? The ZL1 to 11/12 GT500 was a mostly a toss-up in the 1/4.

Data from that time supporting my statement. Chevy's accomplishment at the time was amazing.

2011/12 GT500
Fastest Laps 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 117 MPH
Car and Driver 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 117 MPH
Motor Trend 0-60: 4.1s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 115.8 MPH
Road & Track 0-60: 4.3s, ¼ mile 12.4s @ 119.4 MPH (CTS-V beat the GT500 going 12.3 @ 118.4 MPH)

http://fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mustang_shelby_gt500.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-road-test-review
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1104_2011_chevrolet_corvette_2011_ford_shelby_gt50 0_2012_nissan_gtr_comparison/viewall.html
http://www.roadandtrack.com/cm/roadandtrack/data/68fe292c986ee5b24ad31e5ddd7341cb.pdf

ZL1 - Auto
Fastest Laps 0-60: 3.8s, ¼ mile 12.1s @ 117 MPH
Motor Trend 0-60: 3.8s, ¼ mile 12.1s @ 117.4
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/chevrolet_camaro_zl-1.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._shelby_gt500/

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Sounds like you have an awesome stable of cars! Congrats. Imagine having to choose...

Room will be made...

I already sold the Turbo 350Z last year to a loving home....

...and I put the GWE Challenger 392 on notice when the 707HP/650TQ was announced....that pretty much sealed it's fate...LMAO

Looks like the 392 Super Bee will survive the house cleaning...it's got 4 doors and it's the only auto...and I need something to carry my bikes

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Just my opinion but I'm not giving 60k or more for ANY car that's just more less straight line performance when you can buy something like a 5.0 or SS and go just as quick for way less.

Yes you certainly could build a SS or GT to go just as quick, and you will loose every cent of mod money put into the project as well as the initial value of the car had you left it stock. You will also stress every component of the car which was not designed to handle the increased performance. Bottom line is if you want to go fast pay for the right vehicle: ZL1, GT500, or Hellcat, rather than nickel and diming yourself to death with mod money on a SS, GT, R/T only to loose it all when it comes time to sell.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by AEP11

Wait you mean to tell me you really think the car/pass in the promo was THE actual 10.8 pass?? Lol

No, I meant what I wrote...word-for-word...

I don't need YOU to interpret what I wrote any other way that what it said, thank you. English is NOT a second language to me. It may be to you...

Is it possible for a Hellcat to run low 11's, with an 8-speed Automatic, on 275-wide tires? Yes, for the reasons stated.

Can one on DRs possibly break into the 10s, so equipped? It's certainly not impossible, under ideal conditions, with max'd electronics...which is where I said Mother Mopar spent a LOT of time getting 'em right.

Don't assign my name to anything else...

[woodside783]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

That must mean we will be seeing a Nurburgring video soon. That would send shock waves into the pony car wars!

That would be bad ass hope there is one

[96MrBass]

[QUOTE=newmoon;7816706]Yes you certainly could build a SS or GT to go just as quick, and you will loose every cent of mod money put into the project as well as the initial value of the car had you left it stock. You will also stress every component of the car which was not designed to handle the increased performance. Bottom line is if you want to go fast pay for the right vehicle: ZL1, GT500, or Hellcat, rather than nickel and diming yourself to death with mod money on a SS, GT, R/T only to loose it all when it comes time to sell.


All these cars will depreciate as soon as they leave the lot. Not to mention if your gonna mod it ya take the good with the bad.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

A 4400 lb car making 707 HP without gas guzzler tax. I'll take that bet on the when pigs fly side

anyone know if the 2 keys things is true? I heard they will have two keys. one that will restrict the car to around 500hp, and another key that will unlock the full potential of the car. This could bypass the gas guzzler tax.