Godzilla Matches the ZR1 Ring time 7:20 for 2012

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

And Sax, I am curious if you have Ford going back to the drawing board as they offer NOTHING remotely close to the ZR1 or the GT-R V-spec performance level. You drive a Ford product...did you ask them to give you a GT-R killer? Just curious.

Honestly not really.

I would rather the mustang be the "halo" car as I don't plan to spend the kind of money it takes to get into a ZR1 or other comparable vehicle.

[bigearl]

This has gotten idiotic. Nissan is building a supercar. So is Chevy. They are street cars that are competitive at the highest level and this nitpicking back and forth is as retarded as arguing about the back seats of that infiniti earlier. Neither car is a race car. Both marques race and that input goes into their cars. Some trannys have grenaded, but it's not like you touch the gas and the car blows up.

Nissan has won the 24 hours of Le Mans before in their class but there were rules changes in the 90s that worked against their engine layout. They won with a twin turbo v6 btw. Nissan dominated SCCA racing for a long time and are still a favorite in SCCA.

So you guys can make stuff up all you want, but at the end of the day these two cars are pretty damn equal in performance and the win would likely go to the better driver. You know it, some of you are just too obstinate to admit it.

And before you tell me that I'm some sort of Nissan lover racing to intervene on my beloved marques behalf- I don't give a rat's ass about the GT-R. I just love logic and I know if I had a ZR1 I'd still need to treat the GT-R pitted against me with respect or risk embarassment.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Who didn't see this coming?? The GT-R is an AWD car that is tuned specifically for such a run. It utilizes a great deal of the same techniques in engineering that the 911 does... which would ultimately make it a better hander in the limits than a RWD biased car.. not to mention it should have very strong sprint times due to a much more controlled and spin spree take-off.

That being said.. I'll keep my Vette... or buy a Z06 or ZR1.. and still run as fast while actually looking like I have taste when it comes to automotive styling.

That Nissan is one of the ugliest effin cars since the Aztek.

Being eager to drive that trash would be no different than being eager to go bare-back in Courtney Love.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Stew

What is the point? you are nuts if you cannot recognize the GT-R, same if you can't recognize the performance of the Vette. That said I would rather have an 11 Z06 with the Z07 (I believe) package. You get ZR1 brakes, ZR1 suspension ( complete with magnetic shocks) for I am guessing a price much closer to the GTRs. If I am not mistaken an issue or 2 ago had the 11 GTR vs the 11 Z06 and the Z06 was a bit quicker, I really want to see an 11/12 Z06 vs a 12 GTR.

I recognize the GT-R as a car...but not to what it is billed as. As stated previously: I can buy a ZR1 and drive it as it is intended and it carries a warranty. To get the claimed performance out of the GT-R, you VOID the Warranty. Break the car using Launch Control, a feature offered by Nissan, you void your warranty. You have to use launch control to obtain the performance they claim it can do. That makes the GT-R a joke in my book. Look at how many GT-R owners are SUING Nissan for this very fact.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

That Nissan is one of the ugliest effin cars since the Aztek.

Being eager to drive that trash would be no different than being eager to go bare-back in Courtney Love.

That may be the quote of the year in my book. Valid point on all counts as well.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by bigearl

This has gotten idiotic. Nissan is building a supercar. So is Chevy. They are street cars that are competitive at the highest level and this nitpicking back and forth is as retarded as arguing about the back seats of that infiniti earlier. Neither car is a race car. Both marques race and that input goes into their cars. Some trannys have grenaded, but it's not like you touch the gas and the car blows up.

Nissan has won the 24 hours of Le Mans before in their class but there were rules changes in the 90s that worked against their engine layout. They won with a twin turbo v6 btw. Nissan dominated SCCA racing for a long time and are still a favorite in SCCA.

So you guys can make stuff up all you want, but at the end of the day these two cars are pretty damn equal in performance and the win would likely go to the better driver. You know it, some of you are just too obstinate to admit it.

And before you tell me that I'm some sort of Nissan lover racing to intervene on my beloved marques behalf- I don't give a rat's ass about the GT-R. I just love logic and I know if I had a ZR1 I'd still need to treat the GT-R pitted against me with respect or risk embarassment.

Nissan's much respected 300ZX cars won those races...and are actually admired on this and other automotive boards all over the internet. The GT-R has not yet achieved such success in it's current layout, yet is being billed as a supercar...hence the venom on this thread.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

I recognize the GT-R as a car...but not to what it is billed as. As stated previously: I can buy a ZR1 and drive it as it is intended and it carries a warranty. To get the claimed performance out of the GT-R, you VOID the Warranty. Break the car using Launch Control, a feature offered by Nissan, you void your warranty. You have to use launch control to obtain the performance they claim it can do. That makes the GT-R a joke in my book. Look at how many GT-R owners are SUING Nissan for this very fact.

You realize they redid the launch control programming to prevent that from happening and even from that artice posted it states there will be tuning in the 2012 to prevent transmission grenading..... While I do really like the GT-R, I am not going to defend it willy nilly. YOu act as if it doesn't perform, but he fact is it does perform like it is supposed to. You don't have to like the car, just admit is a good performance car.

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by Stew

You realize they redid the launch control programming to prevent that from happening and even from that artice posted it states there will be tuning in the 2012 to prevent transmission grenading..... While I do really like the GT-R, I am not going to defend it willy nilly. YOu act as if it doesn't perform, but he fact is it does perform like it is supposed to. You don't have to like the car, just admit is a good performance car.

Fact: Nissan put out a car that was billed as a giant killer at a great price point. Admirable. I love technology as much as the next guy...look at my sig.

Fact: The car did NOT perform as it was billed without using the Launch Control Feature - a feature much touted by Nissan that turned 'anyman Joe Racer' into a Porsche 911 Turbo killer for $85k - Correct?

Fact: Using the Launch Control Feature caused the GT-R to Grenade the transmission, thereby making it an $85,000 paperweight.

Fact: That voided your warranty.

Fact: MANY GT-R owners (notice I did not say drivers) are now suing Nissan as the car did not perform as billed due to the fact that you cannot obtain the stated performance without using the Launch Control - thereby they are victims of false advertising...and Nissan walked away from the owners when the cars exploded...saying they were abusing the GT-R when using the Launch Control - a feature you HAVE to use to obtain the 0-60 times Nissan claimed. You see why the car is an easy target here?

Yes, they are reprogramming the car and reworking things. They have to. The cars break when used in their current programming. This is the reason I do not respect the GT-R like I do the other cars in the class in pretends to belong in. The 911, Corvette, Ferraris...they deserve to be called supercars. The Nissan, while a great performer, has not yet earned that title in my opinion.

And do not get me wrong - I think the previous Skylines are absolute awesome monsters. This is not the case with the GT-R in it's current state. It has something to prove.

[bigearl]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

Nissan's much respected 300ZX cars won those races...and are actually admired on this and other automotive boards all over the internet. The GT-R has not yet achieved such success in it's current layout, yet is being billed as a supercar...hence the venom on this thread.

Basically the heritage argument seems to be: The C6R has won ALMS competitions, ergo, the ZR1 is faster than the GT-R. That makes no sense. The Z06 is actually the closer car in price and that argument is empirically false. The ZR1 is the one being compared here and the GT-R and ZR1 are hair splitting close.

FYI- GM's warranty on the Vette is specifically voided if you race it, so that argument is not valid. In fact, I wasn't even looking specifically for examples, but there are quite a few examples of Corvette's requiring 14000-20000k in repairs due to racing. It's all anecdotal and crap happens when you're trashing cars, so the tranny is a straw man argument. Road track racing isn't where the tranny grenaded either- it grenaded in drag racing but your comparing road racing pedigrees. Plus it's supposedly been fixed.

So the only thing I get out of this thread is that: the GT-R is ugly (which I buy), or that everything Japanese sucks-no matter how good it is- it still sucks, cuz it ain't 'Merican.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

Fact: Nissan put out a car that was billed as a giant killer at a great price point. Admirable. I love technology as much as the next guy...look at my sig.

Fact: The car did NOT perform as it was billed without using the Launch Control Feature - a feature much touted by Nissan that turned 'anyman Joe Racer' into a Porsche 911 Turbo killer for $85k - Correct?

Fact: Using the Launch Control Feature caused the GT-R to Grenade the transmission, thereby making it an $85,000 paperweight.

Fact: That voided your warranty.

Fact: MANY GT-R owners (notice I did not say drivers) are now suing Nissan as the car did not perform as billed due to the fact that you cannot obtain the stated performance without using the Launch Control - thereby they are victims of false advertising...and Nissan walked away from the owners when the cars exploded...saying they were abusing the GT-R when using the Launch Control - a feature you HAVE to use to obtain the 0-60 times Nissan claimed. You see why the car is an easy target here?

Yes, they are reprogramming the car and reworking things. They have to. The cars break when used in their current programming. This is the reason I do not respect the GT-R like I do the other cars in the class in pretends to belong in. The 911, Corvette, Ferraris...they deserve to be called supercars. The Nissan, while a great performer, has not yet earned that title in my opinion.

And do not get me wrong - I think the previous Skylines are absolute awesome monsters. This is not the case with the GT-R in it's current state. It has something to prove.

Well, with the 2012 models the numbers they tout should be with the new launch control so talking a 12 model, they should be good to go. In a straight line though I don't think they will still take a new 911 Turbo as Porsche has REALLY raised the bar (2.7 seconds to 60!!!! They isn't far off from the Veyron which I believe is 2.5). Anywho, given the choice neither the GTR or the Vette would be my choice for supecar Nirvana

[toesuf94]

Originally Posted by bigearl

So the only thing I get out of this thread is that: the GT-R is ugly (which I buy), or that everything Japanese sucks-no matter how good it is- it still sucks, cuz it ain't 'Merican.

No, just the GT-R sucks, because it is ugly and fails to deliver the advertised performance on the street without exploding the transmission.

Look at my sig and you will see that I am not a 'Merican only' supporter. I would respect the GT-R if it lived up to the hype without exploding. Yeah, they are fixing it for 2012 - too late for the cars that already blew up without warranty.

The C6-R is based on the ZR1...a car which is based on the ZO6...so you are splitting hairs there.

GM denies claims for abuse if a car is modified. (going to get flamed here, I know it) Nissan uses GPS and the car's black box to determine WHERE the car broke and what systems were engaged at the time of the failure. AND 99.999% of those claims have been denied and customers have had to fix the GT-R out of pocket. That sucks. Porsche does not do that. Ferrari does not do that...and to my knowledge, GM does not do that.

[DarthNacho08]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

No, just the GT-R sucks, because it is ugly and fails to deliver the advertised performance on the street without exploding the transmission.

Look at my sig and you will see that I am not a 'Merican only' supporter. I would respect the GT-R if it lived up to the hype without exploding. Yeah, they are fixing it for 2012 - too late for the cars that already blew up without warranty.

The C6-R is based on the ZR1...a car which is based on the ZO6...so you are splitting hairs there.

GM denies claims for abuse if a car is modified. (going to get flamed here, I know it) Nissan uses GPS and the car's black box to determine WHERE the car broke and what systems were engaged at the time of the failure. AND 99.999% of those claims have been denied and customers have had to fix the GT-R out of pocket. That sucks. Porsche does not do that. Ferrari does not do that...and to my knowledge, GM does not do that.

I thought it was the other way around??

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Both Ford and Chevy will void your warranty if they know you were racing at a track when the vehicle broke.

some people are just blindly hating without thinking about what they are saying.

[bigearl]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

No, just the GT-R sucks, because it is ugly and fails to deliver the advertised performance on the street without exploding the transmission.

Look at my sig and you will see that I am not a 'Merican only' supporter. I would respect the GT-R if it lived up to the hype without exploding. Yeah, they are fixing it for 2012 - too late for the cars that already blew up without warranty.

The C6-R is based on the ZR1...a car which is based on the ZO6...so you are splitting hairs there.

GM denies claims for abuse if a car is modified. (going to get flamed here, I know it) Nissan uses GPS and the car's black box to determine WHERE the car broke and what systems were engaged at the time of the failure. AND 99.999% of those claims have been denied and customers have had to fix the GT-R out of pocket. That sucks. Porsche does not do that. Ferrari does not do that...and to my knowledge, GM does not do that.

I'm not just talking about you. But not all GT-R transmissions blow up-and again they didn't really blow up road racing, they blew up doing a 5000 rpm launch with AWD. That has been fixed by turning launch control down to a lower rpm. I don't think GM and Porsches have the technology in them to GPS the breakdown location, but it's very clear that the Corvette warranty does not apply if the car is raced or used on a racetrack (track days). It's just not accurate to say GT-Rs don't live up to the hype without exploding.

I just found a few stories with a simple search about GM warranties on Corvettes where a warranty was denied for a guy with 17k miles who's motor died at Watkins Glen and another who had a Z06 who had the computer make a mistake and blew the engine by running it to lean who got denied for racing with a 20k bill. There were others too but I didn't read on. If the dealer is fixing GM cars its because the owner chose not to be forthcoming about how it died. I'd expect that GPS will increase in usage and the GT-R just got there first.

Anyway- I've said my piece. Have fun.