PlayGround BRAWL: C&D Compares SS and GT... Camaro Wins Performace Test... AGAIN

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Ford will have hurt themselves by matching the GT to the SS's specs... as

Similar price point between the GT and the SS, similar straightline performance, GT exceeds the handling of the SS...... how does this hurt? The 11GT will sell just fine, as will the Camaro SS.

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

... as the SS already runs damn close to the current GT500's specs.

Again, if a car that traps at 111mph (SS) is close to a car that traps a 118mph (GT500), your definition of close is pretty vague. Shall we say that Rosy O'Donnell is close in looks to Angelina Jolie....

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Similar price point between the GT and the SS, similar straightline performance, GT exceeds the handling of the SS...... how does this hurt? The 11GT will sell just fine, as will the Camaro SS.

Again, if a car that traps at 111mph (SS) is close to a car that traps a 118mph (GT500), your definition of close is pretty vague. Shall we say that Rosy O'Donnell is close in looks to Angelina Jolie....

I'm sorry Slim, but this is one for the books... I seriously am awestruck that a 426HP $34K Camaro, weighing only 15 lbs less... ran with a $50K 540HP Mustang (that's 114HP more)

Camaro Mustang
0-30 mph 1.9 sec 2.0 sec
0-40 2.6 2.7
0-50 3.5 3.7
0-60 4.5 4.6
0-70 5.7 5.5
0-80 7.2 6.8
0-90 8.7 8.2
0-100 10.5 9.7
Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph MT COMPARISON

YES the Mustang beat the Camaro... by 1/10th of a sec and 4 MPH. That is pathetic, and basically says that if the Camaro even remotely got the LSA (560HP without the "Quiet Tuned" exhaust from Cadillac restricting it) it would MURDER the GT500.

Also... I call a car with 114 MORE HP getting just 4MPH more than the lesser in the Trap pretty effin sad... and a WASTE of DOE.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I'm sorry Slim, but this is one for the books... I seriously am awestruck that a 426HP $34K Camaro, weighing only 15 lbs less... ran with a $50K 540HP Mustang (that's 114HP more)

Camaro Mustang
0-30 mph 1.9 sec 2.0 sec
0-40 2.6 2.7
0-50 3.5 3.7
0-60 4.5 4.6
0-70 5.7 5.5
0-80 7.2 6.8
0-90 8.7 8.2
0-100 10.5 9.7
Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph MT COMPARISON

YES the Mustang beat the Camaro... by 1/10th of a sec and 4 MPH. That is pathetic, and basically says that if the Camaro even remotely got the LSA (560HP without the "Quiet Tuned" exhaust from Cadillac restricting it) it would MURDER the GT500.

Also... I call a car with 114 MORE HP getting just 4MPH more than the lesser in the Trap pretty effin sad... and a WASTE of DOE.

Why do you think the GT500 with its HP couldn't capitalize upon its advantage?

I'll give you a hint, it starts with 'tractio'

And then further, what makes you think that a Camaro with similar numbers wouldn't suffer from the same problem ?



Keep this in mind: The people who did these tests aren't the owners of these cars and are likely going to have much more trouble controlling 'tractio' issues than someone who has, say, replaced the tires and knows how to drive more effectively.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I'm sorry Slim, but this is one for the books... I seriously am awestruck that a 426HP $34K Camaro, weighing only 15 lbs less... ran with a $50K 540HP Mustang (that's 114HP more)

Camaro Mustang
0-30 mph 1.9 sec 2.0 sec
0-40 2.6 2.7
0-50 3.5 3.7
0-60 4.5 4.6
0-70 5.7 5.5
0-80 7.2 6.8
0-90 8.7 8.2
0-100 10.5 9.7
Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph MT COMPARISON

YES the Mustang beat the Camaro... by 1/10th of a sec and 4 MPH. That is pathetic, and basically says that if the Camaro even remotely got the LSA (560HP without the "Quiet Tuned" exhaust from Cadillac restricting it) it would MURDER the GT500.

Also... I call a car with 114 MORE HP getting just 4MPH more than the lesser in the Trap pretty effin sad... and a WASTE of DOE.

Sounds like we got ourselves a full fledged magazine racer on our hands.... don't get your ink on your fingers when you are looking for single data points to support your assumptions......... Later "great one"...

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

I'm sorry Slim, but this is one for the books... I seriously am awestruck that a 426HP $34K Camaro, weighing only 15 lbs less... ran with a $50K 540HP Mustang (that's 114HP more)

Camaro Mustang
0-30 mph 1.9 sec 2.0 sec
0-40 2.6 2.7
0-50 3.5 3.7
0-60 4.5 4.6
0-70 5.7 5.5
0-80 7.2 6.8
0-90 8.7 8.2
0-100 10.5 9.7
Quarter mile 12.9 sec @ 110.7 mph 12.8 sec @ 115.3 mph MT COMPARISON

YES the Mustang beat the Camaro... by 1/10th of a sec and 4 MPH. That is pathetic, and basically says that if the Camaro even remotely got the LSA (560HP without the "Quiet Tuned" exhaust from Cadillac restricting it) it would MURDER the GT500.

Also... I call a car with 114 MORE HP getting just 4MPH more than the lesser in the Trap pretty effin sad... and a WASTE of DOE.

Sounds like a retard driving to me. Notice the camaro beats the mustang to 60MPH, then the mustang just starts pulling and pulling. Look at what evan smith did with the car.

2010 Shelby GT500 Scorecard
Run 60-Foot 1/4-Mile/MPH
1. 1.852 11.855/117.66
2. 1.850 11.784/118.93
3. 1.825 11.805/117.36
4. 1.778 11.592/118.45
5. 1.91311.951/120.29*

The first 4 are on ET streets, the last one is on stock tires. The car was 100% stock. That's an absolute ass whooping on the camaro and the mustang GT. People just aren't going to hop into a 550hp mustang and cut good 60's their first try unless they have experience driving cars like it. The camaro shouldn't beat the gt500 to any speed if the driver isn't making major errors and if you launch properly, a gt500 will leave a camaro in a cloud of dust. When an ss traps anywhere near 120 in stock form, you come let us know.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Sounds like we got ourselves a full fledged magazine racer on our hands.... don't get your ink on your fingers when you are looking for single data points to support your assumptions......... Later "great one"...

I meet U at the TRACK any day of the week FAN Girl. Bring your Ford or Dodge... I'll have a stack of Car Magazines in my passenger seat to add weight.. so as to give U a lil help. Email me when U are in the MD area. PLEASE

And both of my cars can HOOK UP... to bust that ass.

[lil_chef]

Casa..... come on man...

in the comparison between the 2011 mustang and 2010 camaro you pointed out that the camaro is essentially better because, while they posted similar numbers, the camaro outruns the mustang at the top end.

then in the comparison between the GT500 and 2010 camaro you say the camaro is amazing because it posts similar numbers to the GT500. but you failed to mention that the GT500 gets to 100 mph almost a full second ahead of the camaro. obviously traction was solely responsible for the sub par times the GT500 posted.

please be a little more consistent in your comparisons.

[ViperTomcat]

Anyone who thinks that the Camaro is nearly equal to the GT500 really needs to have a reality check, cause they're not in the real world.

Simply changing out the tires for better traction unit will cause the GT500 to completely destroy the SS, it isnt even funny. Also..throwing on a LSA into the Camaro wont change the fact that the GT500 will still be lighter and have a better HP to weight ratio.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Casa..... come on man...

in the comparison between the 2011 mustang and 2010 camaro you pointed out that the camaro is essentially better because, while they posted similar numbers, the camaro outruns the mustang at the top end.

then in the comparison between the GT500 and 2010 camaro you say the camaro is amazing because it posts similar numbers to the GT500. but you failed to mention that the GT500 gets to 100 mph almost a full second ahead of the camaro. obviously traction was solely responsible for the sub par times the GT500 posted.

please be a little more consistent in your comparisons.

His views and opinions are obviously skewed in almost every post he makes. He's just a die hard chevy fan and it makes him act like a fanboy. It happens. It wouldn't be all that bad or uncommon if it weren't for his immaturity. He's just got to take a step back, relax and grow up. The attacks and name calling do the opposite of supporting his point. Trying to call someone out on a forum like an internet tough guy doesn't help either.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Gotcha... So where could weight be shaved from the Camaro???

Safety mechanisms.............

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Safety mechanisms.............

The difference between track cars and street cars.

Realistically the easiest way to reduce Camaro weight is to put it on a new platform. Otherwise maybe take out the interior, lighter exhaust and intake, etc..

The fact is the Challenger and Camaro are both heavy because they're based on full size, RWD sedans.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

The fact is the Challenger and Camaro are both heavy because they're based on full size, RWD sedans.

That's a very simplistic explanation. It's not completely true...at least not in the case of the Camaro.

[Cmicasa the Great XvX]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

Casa..... come on man...

in the comparison between the 2011 mustang and 2010 camaro you pointed out that the camaro is essentially better because, while they posted similar numbers, the camaro outruns the mustang at the top end.

then in the comparison between the GT500 and 2010 camaro you say the camaro is amazing because it posts similar numbers to the GT500. but you failed to mention that the GT500 gets to 100 mph almost a full second ahead of the camaro. obviously traction was solely responsible for the sub par times the GT500 posted.

please be a little more consistent in your comparisons.

Wow.. a respectful post.

Thanks... and I agree with your assessment. The Gt500 is certainly a better performer than the SS.. but I point out that while it is.. it also boasts a 114HP power advantage and an additional price premium that would be enuff to get me an incentive laden Ford Fusion.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Wow.. a respectful post.

Thanks... and I agree with your assessment. The Gt500 is certainly a better performer than the SS.. but I point out that while it is.. it also boasts a 114HP power advantage and an additional price premium that would be enuff to get me an incentive laden Ford Fusion.

the "Z28" should perform almost exactly like how the 2010 GT500 has performed, if we ignore traction issues. and im sure there will be a decently equipped fiesta between the price point of an SS and a Z28......but then again i hold no knowledge on what the Z28 will be when finally released.

either way at the price point of either the Z28 or the GT500.........i would MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have a corvette.

im not quite sure why everyone seems to snap at you and your posts. hopefully it doesnt deter you away from our community