Ford unveiling Boss Mustang Aug. 13th?

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Good point!

I never mentioned boost in the 5.0/4.6 statement. All I said was it was a rwhp limit of around 425 - 450 depending on the dyno.

I'm done here....I can't win because the Mustang is clearly god's gift to motoring and the Camaro and the LS3 are clearly junk.

ENJOY!

Considering nobody has blown a 5.0 yet and there are more than one in the 10's, I would say your guess is off.



http://www.youtube.com/user/evoperfo.../2/gwJsmTVN9vY

You think that's less than 450whp? They made 420+ with bolt ons THEN put 100+ shots of nitrous on and didn't blow anything after many passes. Your guess is just a guess and any and all facts suggest your conclusion is pretty far off. Oh and ~450rwhp is about the safe limit on the 4.6 and the 5.0 is without a doubt considerably stronger. Are you one of the people that said the 5.0 wouldn't respond well to mods and that it was maxed from the factory? I bet you are.

Don't get pissed because people disagree with you. You have zero facts to back your conclusion and nobody is ragging on the ls3, yet you run to the "mustang is gods gift and the ls3 sucks" crap. Back up your statements or expect people to disagree.

[All-Or-Nothing]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Considering nobody has blown a 5.0 yet and there are more than one in the 10's, I would say your guess is off.



http://www.youtube.com/user/evoperfo.../2/gwJsmTVN9vY

You think that's less than 450whp? They made 420+ with bolt ons THEN put 100+ shots of nitrous on and didn't blow anything after many passes. Your guess is just a guess and any and all facts suggest your conclusion is pretty far off. Oh and ~450rwhp is about the safe limit on the 4.6 and the 5.0 is without a doubt considerably stronger. Are you one of the people that said the 5.0 wouldn't respond well to mods and that it was maxed from the factory? I bet you are.

Don't get pissed because people disagree with you. You have zero facts to back your conclusion and nobody is ragging on the ls3, yet you run to the "mustang is gods gift and the ls3 sucks" crap. Back up your statements or expect people to disagree.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Ford is offers options (aka choices) from the factory. Contrast this to a 'single model' philosophy, where if you want better gears, suspension, supercharger, etc... you need to throw away your stock parts and pay a third part to install the performance options you wanted in the first place......hmmm, I get it.

A package this unbelievably good is bound to bring out a few haters, who would undoubtedly be singing from the rooftops if Chevy offered something comparable.

Only things I would ask of Ford would be an optional stripe delete, and please build as many as the market demands. But unfortunately we all know it will be a limited edition and this performance bargain of the decade will be anything but once the dealers have their say.

The upside is that if Ford's recent history is a judge then many of these improvements will trickle down in a couple years time. Imagine a new track pack with the 5-way shocks, adjustable steering, 4-pot Brembos and Recaros available on the base GT.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Craig

A package this unbelievably good is bound to bring out a few haters, who would undoubtedly be singing from the rooftops if Chevy offered something comparable.

Only things I would ask of Ford would be an optional stripe delete, and please build as many as the market demands. But unfortunately we all know it will be a limited edition and this performance bargain of the decade will be anything but once the dealers have their say.

The upside is that if Ford's recent history is a judge then many of these improvements will trickle down in a couple years time. Imagine a new track pack with the 5-way shocks, adjustable steering, 4-pot Brembos and Recaros available on the base GT.

Ford always offers a stripe and spoiler delete in all its packages..

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Craig

But unfortunately we all know it will be a limited edition and this performance bargain of the decade will be anything but once the dealers have their say.

Yeah, the dealers could screw it up if it's a limited edition. But, if Ford makes it part of their regular line-up sitting between the GT and the GT-500 (a big if, there may not be much room between those two price-wise, and Ford would have to worry about canabalizing their own products), I think it will sell well.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

There are plenty of gaudy sticker packages available in the Camaro aftermarket to make them look just as fast.

So now the Boss is just a "sticker" package. You don't have a clue.

Originally Posted by Craig

A package this unbelievably good is bound to bring out a few haters, who would undoubtedly be singing from the rooftops if Chevy offered something comparable.<snip

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[C4]

i got to love thoughs red rims... wicked

[sik68]

I sat in the new black/red Boss on Saturday at Laguna Seca. This was my first time in a 2011 Mustang, and I can say that Ford has improved the Mustang by leaps and bounds, even over the 2009 models. The livery is definitely over the top, but in person it is not as gaudy as it comes across in photos. It is a bit more tasteful in person. The front splitter on the Laguna Seca package is humongous! The rear seat delete with the x member is a very cool touch.

The seats are very supportive for street seats, with bolstering in all the right places per typical Recaro. The shifter throws are pleasantly short (yeah I went through the gears a few times in my head). Driver ergonomics are very good: visibility, steering wheel-to-seat-to pedal relationships are all great for feeling connected to the car.

I also convinced a Ford Rep who was positioning the car to rev it...he happily obliged. Idle is whisper quiet, but just off idle it starts to cackle. It's not a deep pitch (what can you expect from 5.0L) but it sounds urgent when it revs. If for nothing else, I think the side pipes really help project the noise in all directions. Definitely louder than a new Camaro but overall still quiet. Almost any aftermarket exhaust you hear on the street is louder. Upon delivery, I would immediately remove the librarian in the sidepipe.

Very cool car; the Boss projects the "form following function" mantra, while I'd argue that the new Camaro is, sadly, more the opposite. For the sake of the rivalry, Chevy needs a sharper model that will directly compete with the Boss; and it shouldn't be supercharged.

[Sax1031]

I am beginning to think this car is a little underrated at 440hp.

[BigDan]

What make's you think that? I haven't really dove into the new enhancements and haven't seen any video's describing the the new hp parts. It would be nice though if it was making about 465hp. I cant wait to see all the up coming tester videos.

This Boss 302 is a very very good thing for the automotive industry especially in our segment. No doubt Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, Hyundai, and Toyota will all soon follow suit with light weight road course type versions just like everyone offered in the 60's-70's.

Hopefully Chevy wont wait till the next platform of the Camaro to offer a similar package. Just think about using the Gran Sports dry sump LS3 with a bump in power maybe e85 capable, Peddlers top of the line suspension, rear seat delete, light weight racing wheels and tires, and optional light weight super stripper version with only AC. They could and probably offer something similar just to give the Boss 302 some competition just like they did with the z/28 for not that much time or R&D or increase in price.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by BigDan

What make's you think that? I haven't really dove into the new enhancements and haven't seen any video's describing the the new hp parts.

ported heads, more aggressive cams, and intake. along with pushing the hp up higher in the rpm range.

I just think porting the heads, putting better cams in, and adding an intake are worth a little bit more than 28 hp.

Could be wrong though.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I've seen multiple 4.6 blocks blow up on the dyno that say otherwise...not trying to be an ass, just calling it like it is.

* If you're talking 475 crank HP then you are 100% correct * just wanted to clarify that

seeing 4.6 2V engine blow up on the dyno is not the same as 3v or 4v. 425rwhp is not even CLOSE to the limits of 3v and 4v 4.6's. and 5.0 rods are factors stronger. your experiences have nothing to do with the 5.0.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

ported heads, more aggressive cams, and intake. along with pushing the hp up higher in the rpm range.

I just think porting the heads, putting better cams in, and adding an intake are worth a little bit more than 28 hp.

Could be wrong though.

considering the broken-in 380rwhp dynos of 5.0 gt's, 440hp is pretty underated. i dont know the internal differences, but externally that intake looks like the boss302R GT racing intake. it does have a slightly lower peak hp rpm. if 7500 is the real boss 302's peak power rpm.

[zero]

Originally Posted by assasinator

considering the broken-in 380rwhp dynos of 5.0 gt's, 440hp is pretty underated. i dont know the internal differences, but externally that intake looks like the boss302R GT racing intake. it does have a slightly lower peak hp rpm. if 7500 is the real boss 302's peak power rpm.

how does it have slightly lower peak hp if it`s rated at 440hp and the GT rated at 412hp ?