think any chance GM to release chevelle

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by Spartan01

This^^^, EXACTLY...
Well spoken sir.
This is precisely why the new GTO failed.
It was a great performance based car, that was simply rebadged, and then given an iconic moniker.
It looked nothing like the legendary GTO of old, it looked like an Oldsmobile Alero

I thought the GTO failed because it couldn't meet the increasing safety standards.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No, because it would essentially be the same thing as the Camaro. What would make it different enough for someone to walk into their chevy dealer and buy a chevelle over a camaro?

Not even that, it has to draw people in that otherwise wouldn't be buying a Camaro (or Corvette or Impala or CTS or other GM vehicle).

Just to make my point clearer, I'll pull some numbers out of thin air. The Camaro sells roughly 80k units a year. A Chevelle would probably max out at half that, so 40k units. There's a good chance that half of them (20k) are poached from Camaro sales. Of the remaining 20k, quite a few would probably be coming from folks that would otherwise be buying something else in the GM lineup -lets say half of that remainder (10k).

So, in this little exercise a new Chevelle selling 40k units a year (a marginal number for a model to begin with) adds 10k sales to GMs total while bringing Camaro sales down from 80k to 60k and a variety of other models take a slight hit as well. Not worth the investment on their end. Even changing the numbers around a bit and it still gets hard to see more than 20k added sales per year.

About the only 'muscle car' that would have a chance at being brought back would be a Grand National/GNX because it wouldn't have any immediate competition from its own brand but even that would poach quite a few sales directly from the ATS & CTS as well as the Camaro.





GM ditched Pontiac and Saturn largely because those brands caused too much internal competition. Even now there's still quite a bit. Its one thing to fill a niche with a trim package or import an already built car from overseas. But to spend a billion and a half developing an all new model for a handful of sales would be a gigantic waste of money.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Whos_Drivin

I thought the GTO failed because it couldn't meet the increasing safety standards.

Thats likely why it was cancelled when it was, but very few people bought them before it was cancelled & therefore its deemed a failure.

[Spartan01]

The BNX was a monster, and (for the time) a marvel of engineering.
It was also a V6 turbo.

Build it to compete with the new turbo cars coming out.

My point about the GTO is that the original GTO's were ICONIC, and trendsetting for their looks and power.
They brought it back with no looks whatsoever, yet badged it with the moniker of a legend. At that time there was no Camaro in production. had they done it right and really mad a sweet retro restyling it would have been way more successful.

[arkentect]

Car Companies need to stop digging up older models. They will never be able to bring a design forward that is worth an Iconic name like the Chevelle. Hell look what they did to the Charger, one of the biggest muscle car names of its time, AND THEY MADE IT A FAMILY SEDAN?!?! Da Fuq?

Come out with something new instead. Make something new that will eventually become Iconic.

[Spartan01]

Good idea, but you are asking too much.

The same thing is going on in Hollywood, just spitting out remakes of old movies, hardly ever a new idea...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by arkentect

Car Companies need to stop digging up older models. They will never be able to bring a design forward that is worth an Iconic name like the Chevelle. Hell look what they did to the Charger, one of the biggest muscle car names of its time, AND THEY MADE IT A FAMILY SEDAN?!?! Da Fuq?

Come out with something new instead. Make something new that will eventually become Iconic.

Not only that but in the current market as DGthe3 pointed out you can't have that much internal competition. This isnt the 60's anymore. There isn't room in the Chevy line up for another 2 door V-8 powered vehicle.

Make something new, tackle a new market. GM has shown that they can build one hell of a pony car when the right people are pressing the buttons. 1LE, SS, ZL1, Z/28, that's an impressive line up to take on Mustang and Challenger. I would love to see GM battle Ford in the hot hatch segment, the Focus ST and RS need some competition.

[Spartan01]

To quote comedian Rich Voss:
Maybe they can make a hybrid car that doesn't look like a gay space shuttle."

[its a syn]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There is absolutely nothing about that car that says Chevelle. Chevy will never bring back the Chevelle but, on the microscopic chance they did, it should be done right. Not throwing the badge on some generic sedan like that render.

The chevelle changed drastically through the generations. Why not this car? Do you want it to be just like your '70 Chevelle? That would be boring. Quite a useless argument anyway as one said the last thing GM wants is interbrand competition.

[arkentect]

I myself am hoping for a Mid-Engine Corvette to compete with the Ford GT. Lol I know i'll never be able to afford one but at least Chevy will have something I can start to drool over again.

[FenwickHockey65]

No.

[roorback]

I've said it before and my .02 means nothing but if GM ruins my favorite car with some half-assed, crap new-age Chevelle (ala GTO, Nova of the 80's) I'm never ever buying another GM again.

[rocket403]

That is the main reason that I stepped away from GM they ruined the Cutlass and came out with a FWD Cutlass killed all the good Olds cars like the 98, 88, Cutlass. They did such a bad job of Olds that they killed off the whole division.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Spartan01

Bring back the Buick GNX.
Maybe even have a 6 and 8 version.

An 8 cylinder GNX is blasphemy before Man and God and I will not stand for it. An 8 Cylinder Buick "X" car is a GSX.
510 lb/ft, naturally aspirated. I have nothing against a GN or GNX, I almost traded my '70 for one.