Are you concerned about the Government putting an end to V8's? - Page 2

kopacko · 08-14-2009, 03:49 PM

No one is going to take away your V8....good lord...how do people come up with this stuff?

marcgo2 · 08-14-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kopacko

No one is going to take away your V8....good lord...how do people come up with this stuff?

The same people that think the government is coming for their guns, and to put their grandmother on a death panel.

slofalker · 08-14-2009, 03:56 PM

The thing you have to remember is that the CAFE standards are an average mpg for a company's entire lineup. The way car companies are going to get around this is to work towards higher fuel efficiency on its compact cars and family sedans and add more hybrids while keeping a "gas-guzzling" sports car or two like the Camaro. It's all about the average, not the individual vehicle. Besides, there will continue to be advances in technology that will allow cars to get better fuel efficiency on high-powered engines. I mean, ten years ago, would you have thought that you could have a 400+ hp engine that gets 24mpg? I don't think there is anything to worry about. There are always loopholes and there will always be demand in America for muscle under the hoods of our vehicles.

Blownhotrodder · 08-14-2009, 03:57 PM

They arent gonna end V8's. They are needed for towing and other uses besides melting tires into oblivion. They will just tax gas or have some kind of mileage tax to curb fuel consumption.

JDBeck23 · 08-14-2009, 04:09 PM

Why do you guys think GM is developing their 5.5L Direct Injected V8. They know it wont be long before the MPG standards get cinched down VERY tight. And then all car manufacturers will be tied to making ALL cars within a certain range of MPG.

Where as currently the CAFE standards are set to make the average national fuel economy 35MPG by 2020... Obama has announced new plans to set up a new government entity to ensure a new timeline of reaching national fuel economy of 39 MPG for cars and 30 MPG for trucks by 2016. That's not set in stone yet, but imagine... 7 years from now, our beloved Camaro's will most likely be powered be something alot less powerful...

Why do you guys think that old Fritz at GM keeps making mention of the DI turbo V6... that's probably how GM is gonna get within the new standards for fuel economy and still get some decent HP numbers in their performance cars.

For those of us that dont particularly care for AFM, hydraulically actuated cam lobes, and power killing electronics... say hello to the future! People will be more concerned with the acronym MPG rather than RWHP.

Sooooo... with all that being said, go buy you a 2010 Camaro with an LS3, grin your 426HP all the way home and laugh when the government forces all car manufacturers to the 2016 standards as 7 years from now, you know you've got one of the fastest AND best looking cars on the road!

MrIcky · 08-14-2009, 04:16 PM

I'm not worried that there won't be V8's. I think there'll just be some higher tariffs as others have said.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 08-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Nope...

MikesZ · 08-14-2009, 04:33 PM

I do not see the V-8 vanishing completely, but I do see it becoming a lot more efficient with technology and being offered in far fewer vehicles.

Black5thgen · 08-14-2009, 05:41 PM

The V8 isn't going any where. They will get smaller, more efficient and dare I say less powerful but it's like the 70's all over again. This green fuel efficient movement will pass and the economy will bounce back. The V8 will take it's licks but it's gonna stay around.

prostock69 · 08-14-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by marcgo2

The same people that think the government is coming for their guns, and to put their grandmother on a death panel.

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*DGthe3* · 08-14-2009, 06:04 PM

First and final warning, this is a good topic but political talk can easily get it closed or deleted. Keep it clean and discuss only the issue (or lack there-of) but do not turn this into a political debate.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 08-14-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DGthe3

...discuss only the issue (or lack there-of)...

VERY well said!

Gov't putting an end to V8s....

CamaroScotty · 08-14-2009, 06:19 PM

Things will change in 2012. I have HOPE.

*DGthe3* · 08-14-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JDBeck23

Why do you guys think GM is developing their 5.5L Direct Injected V8. They know it wont be long before the MPG standards get cinched down VERY tight. And then all car manufacturers will be tied to making ALL cars within a certain range of MPG.

Where as currently the CAFE standards are set to make the average national fuel economy 35MPG by 2020... Obama has announced new plans to set up a new government entity to ensure a new timeline of reaching national fuel economy of 39 MPG for cars and 30 MPG for trucks by 2016. That's not set in stone yet, but imagine... 7 years from now, our beloved Camaro's will most likely be powered be something alot less powerful...

Why do you guys think that old Fritz at GM keeps making mention of the DI turbo V6... that's probably how GM is gonna get within the new standards for fuel economy and still get some decent HP numbers in their performance cars.

For those of us that dont particularly care for AFM, hydraulically actuated cam lobes, and power killing electronics... say hello to the future! People will be more concerned with the acronym MPG rather than RWHP.

Sooooo... with all that being said, go buy you a 2010 Camaro with an LS3, grin your 426HP all the way home and laugh when the government forces all car manufacturers to the 2016 standards as 7 years from now, you know you've got one of the fastest AND best looking cars on the road!

The CAFE numbers are nowhere close to the sticker numbers. 39 mpg average is going to work out closer to 27 mpg average on the window stickers, and 30 for the trucks will be roughly 21 mpg. On top of that, the vehicles footprint also plays a roll in its CAFE value. Wide track, long wheel base cars will have their scores multiplied by some 'equalization factor' since nobody can realistically expect that a full size car will come close to the average. In the case of the Camaro, it averages 22.4 mpg when factoring in the estimated sales ratio of V6 to V8. In a few years, that could climb to about 23.6 with refinement to the transmissions and new direct injection V8's.

Given the size of the vehicle, and the crazy way that CAFE scores are calculated, its entirely likely that the Camaro's would have a score of roughly 35 mpg (compared to the 39 mpg fleet average). I don't know about you, but I think they're gonna be pretty safe.

08-14-2009, 04:09 PM	#19
JDBeck23 Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: King George, Va Posts: 881	Why do you guys think GM is developing their 5.5L Direct Injected V8. They know it wont be long before the MPG standards get cinched down VERY tight. And then all car manufacturers will be tied to making ALL cars within a certain range of MPG. Where as currently the CAFE standards are set to make the average national fuel economy 35MPG by 2020... Obama has announced new plans to set up a new government entity to ensure a new timeline of reaching national fuel economy of 39 MPG for cars and 30 MPG for trucks by 2016. That's not set in stone yet, but imagine... 7 years from now, our beloved Camaro's will most likely be powered be something alot less powerful... Why do you guys think that old Fritz at GM keeps making mention of the DI turbo V6... that's probably how GM is gonna get within the new standards for fuel economy and still get some decent HP numbers in their performance cars. For those of us that dont particularly care for AFM, hydraulically actuated cam lobes, and power killing electronics... say hello to the future! People will be more concerned with the acronym MPG rather than RWHP. Sooooo... with all that being said, go buy you a 2010 Camaro with an LS3, grin your 426HP all the way home and laugh when the government forces all car manufacturers to the 2016 standards as 7 years from now, you know you've got one of the fastest AND best looking cars on the road! __________________ 2010 2SS/RS CGM American Racing Headers, Magnaflow axle back, Roto-Fab CAI, Audio Integrations Sub box, Alpine Type R 10, Alpine MRP-500 amp, Pro Clips iPhone Mount

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08-14-2009, 04:33 PM	#22
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08-14-2009, 03:49 PM	#15
kopacko 333RWHP / 12.2sec @ 1320' Drives: 2004 Competition Orange Mach1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 108 View My Garage	No one is going to take away your V8....good lord...how do people come up with this stuff?

08-14-2009, 03:56 PM	#17
slofalker Drives: 2010 IBM Camaro (by Friday) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 16	The thing you have to remember is that the CAFE standards are an average mpg for a company's entire lineup. The way car companies are going to get around this is to work towards higher fuel efficiency on its compact cars and family sedans and add more hybrids while keeping a "gas-guzzling" sports car or two like the Camaro. It's all about the average, not the individual vehicle. Besides, there will continue to be advances in technology that will allow cars to get better fuel efficiency on high-powered engines. I mean, ten years ago, would you have thought that you could have a 400+ hp engine that gets 24mpg? I don't think there is anything to worry about. There are always loopholes and there will always be demand in America for muscle under the hoods of our vehicles.

08-14-2009, 03:57 PM	#18
Blownhotrodder Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clarkesville , GEORGIA Posts: 1,857	They arent gonna end V8's. They are needed for towing and other uses besides melting tires into oblivion. They will just tax gas or have some kind of mileage tax to curb fuel consumption.

08-14-2009, 04:16 PM	#20
MrIcky Drives: Dodge Ram Megacab & Cobalt SS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 1,536	I'm not worried that there won't be V8's. I think there'll just be some higher tariffs as others have said.

08-14-2009, 05:41 PM	#23
Black5thgen Account Suspended Drives: 2007 C6 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 2,251 View My Garage	The V8 isn't going any where. They will get smaller, more efficient and dare I say less powerful but it's like the 70's all over again. This green fuel efficient movement will pass and the economy will bounce back. The V8 will take it's licks but it's gonna stay around.

08-14-2009, 06:19 PM	#27
CamaroScotty Account Suspended Drives: Your new SLP Camaro! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cedarburg, WI Posts: 6,790	Things will change in 2012. I have HOPE.