2015 MUSTANG FIRST DRIVING REVIEWS

[Bosse'sBoss]

Probably since the appearance of the Camaro 1LE, it was a big lost for the Mustang, and GM even proven that has better sport cars than FORD and DODGE with the great Z28 & Stingrays.

I'm just waiting to see if GM will bring out an automatic 1LE on the next generation for me to release my '11 5.0 track package, std. w/. 3.73 gear for my wife to be able to enjoy it, she hates to drive std. transmission. I already tried the 1LE and compared to mine that has a modified after market suspension, the 1LE feels like a more balanced sport car. A Great car!

The hype from Mustang was when it came out with the 5.0 in '11 and then when the BOSS just came out, now is just history for FORD. Goodbye Mustang, Hello Camaro.

[LostPony]

I agree with an earlier poster who wondered why Ford would target the Boss when nearly every test has shown the 1LE to be faster around a road course. To my best recollection, Ford has not mentioned Camaro, or even Chevy, in any way when talking about the new Mustang, and even the last generation of the car. They have consistently mentioned BMW M3, and now mentioned the 911 as performance references.

GM makes no bones about it with the Camaro, they target the Mustang and Challenger. It could be because GM has Corvette to fight the battle with the other imports and Ford has no such halo car.

To me, a lifelong Mustang fan who has owned a few Camaros and Trans Ams over the years, it has been Mustang vs Camaro since 1967. I think Ford needs to stop pretending that the Camaro isn't the real opposition. If Chevy and Ford battle each other and take out BMW and others along the way, all the better for we the fans!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The alpha chassis will gain weight to accommodate a v8 drive-train.

GM designed the Alpha to accommodate the ATS, CTS and gen 6 Camaro with weight reduction a primary goal. I'd expect it can accommodate a V8 and the weight increase we'll see over the ATS will be from the drivetrain itself, not scabbing on reinforcements "to accommodate" it.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

GM designed the Alpha to accommodate the ATS, CTS and gen 6 Camaro with weight reduction a primary goal. I'd expect it can accommodate a V8 and the weight increase we'll see over the ATS will be from the drivetrain itself, not scabbing on reinforcements "to accommodate" it.

Congratulations to Ford for designing a car that weighs as much as the outgoing (6 year old) gen 5 Camaro with performance almost as good and looks that miss.

Your math is a bit off, either that or you are rounding up to make a point..

My 2010 L99 is 3,910 lbs without me in it..a 2015 Auto GT is only 3,729.

So Auto to Auto..the Mustang still weighs less and has more power and with 3.55's will be considerably faster.

Overall, when equally equipped the Mustang will still be lighter than a 5th gen

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The alpha chassis will gain weight to accommodate a v8 drive-train.

So what your saying is the V8 version will weigh more than the current Alpha based cars with I4s and V6s.


SHOCKER!!

The goal is to come under the weight of the 5th gen....not weigh the same as a Cadillac ATS. It will accomplish that.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

So what your saying is the V8 version will weigh more than the current Alpha based cars with I4s and V6s.


SHOCKER!!

The goal is to come under the weight of the 5th gen....not weigh the same as a Cadillac ATS. It will accomplish that.

I agree

Honestly if GM can translate the Camaro over to Alpha and manage to lose 100 pounds net in the process I will consider that a complete success

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The alpha chassis will gain weight to accommodate a v8 drive-train.

sure, but that's a weight gain on a chassis that's around 3400 pounds.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

I agree

Honestly if GM can translate the Camaro over to Alpha and manage to lose 100 pounds net in the process I will consider that a complete success

x2. hoping for a slight weight loss. it wont be drastic.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The alpha chassis will gain weight to accommodate a v8 drive-train.

If I remember correctly the Alpha chasis was designed with a v8 in mind. In any case at the end of the day the Alpha V8 camaro should be lighter than the Zeta V8 camaro today, we just don't know how much yet.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by big hammer

sure, but that's a weight gain on a chassis that's around 3400 pounds.

Again...of course its going to be a weight gain. That 3,400 chassis you mentioned is about what a "stripper" (like any Cadillac is stripped lol) ATS V6 weighs. Of course a V8 and accompanying drivetrain is going to add weight.

Think somewhere in the 3,650 to 3,750 lb range for the base V8 model.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by big hammer

x2. hoping for a slight weight loss. it wont be drastic.

Todays base weight SS weighs a hair over 3,900 lbs (not sure if that's auto or manual though). 100 lost would be nice, but I honestly think we will see 150 - 200 lbs lost off that figure.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Todays base weight SS weighs a hair over 3,900 lbs (not sure if that's auto or manual though). 100 lost would be nice, but I honestly think we will see 150 - 200 lbs lost off that figure.

My auto was 3,910-20 lbs with a full tank, it's closer to 3,890 with my exhaust on it vs stock.

A friend of mine has a 14 2SS M6 and his sits at 3,768.


So..Gen 6 SS...3 , 800 lbs auto, 3,700 manual?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

We gotta see what the PP GT vs the 1LE can do when they are pitted against eachother on a roadcourse, until then these reviews are just first observations.

This^ I am very curious to see some comparison reviews. Judging by the stat box, looks like the 1LE should beat the PP around a track( and I think it will) but it might not. I don't know. All I know is I want to see the mustang get lapped around a track.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

The Camaro is already at that weight but it will go through a weight reduction for the 6th gen alpha chassis next year, not a weight increase. Remember for a moment that the current car is based off a very robust full-size sedan chassis so the weight was already baked in from the start which the alpha will not present this problem for the new car.

I agree that a strong competent chassis will not be ultra lite weight unless more expensive materials are used but you can look at the ATS cars for a preview of the weight possibilities that the team is working with.

Originally Posted by TheReaper

The alpha chassis will gain weight to accommodate a v8 drive-train.

Originally Posted by TheReaper

You should read my post again. I just stated a fact.

Originally Posted by ilirg

I think what he is saying is the alpha chasis will gain weight due to the v8, not that the 6th gen will gain weight over the 5th gen. I think its a safe bet the 6th gen will lose a good number of poundage.

If he was just stating that a Cadillac on Alpha chassis will gain weight with a V8 drivetrain then that's about as useless and as obvious of a post as saying the sky is going to turn black at night.


He was quoting a person basically saying that the Cadillac lost weight when moving to a Alpha platform and the Camaro should do the same and you can look at the current ATS weights for a general idea of what the Camaro might weigh. Of course a V8 6th gen Camaro V8 is going to weigh more than a ATS 4cylinder.