2015 MUSTANG FIRST DRIVING REVIEWS

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Here are my notes about the 15' Stang;
-Its 180lbs heavier fully loaded. Expect a base model to weight 100lbs less and be faster. 100 lb = 1/10th, so maybe mid-12s? Is that "BOSS-beating"?
-It wont likely be faster than a Boss (best mustang ever IMO) and a 1LE (expected) on a race track ...which is NOT what was "promised"...
-I think they wait for the '16 Camaro to release to bump up the hp ...waiting for the DI version?
-The 5.0 got better with better parts. I expect its gonna run like a mofo with boltons
-Better car? Yes. Better look?..not sure.. Still dont know how Ford crowd is gonna react.
-That 5.2l engine is gonna be monster. If the price is right (read better than the Z/28) I'm in. ...and the next Z/28 WILL exceed the current one, for less dough...
-Ford needed to get rid of that SRA. More weight was the only expectation to this. NOT according to Dave...
-Lot of lies were told about the weight. REALLY?!

Dear GM, are you LISTENING!!! We need a real engine!!! LT1 isnt enough LOL Better lose weight on the next Camaro!! Dont need the fancy carbon brakes..just the engine!!

C-C Brakes as part of an add-on package would be welcomed...by ALL consumers!

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I expect the weight to be around 3700 lbs, if not less. Horsepower will more than likely be 450 without the dual mode exhaust.

Good territories to be in...

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Ford better have something amazing in store for the GT350 and at a reasonable price. Sadly, after these reviews and all the false GT hype I'm less than optimistic.

They will. But @ WHAT PRICE?

And don't for a New York second think that the Warren Warriors aren't massaging the details of something REALLY "competitive"...

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Don't get too excited...that's just a fancy photoshop of the Mustang.....ITS NOT REAL! (I wish it was though...I like it)

It's a "concept"...but a clearly accurate vision of "what will be"....and clearly THE reason for the Stang's new size and weight. You CANNOT compete, as a Lincoln, against ATS-Audi-BMW-MB et al without a very solid 'n scienced platform to build from...

...which only adds to the head scratching for WHY the Stang in NOT "so much more" than it apparently is...

Originally Posted by ssrs2lt

It's surprising to me that the new tang only matched performance. Could ford be releasing in phases? New body rear etc.. Then drops the engine tweak.. We all dream about the Camaro being faster better etc, but does ford really need to improve speed right now?

The ONLY "performance metric" that will clearly answer that question is SALES...and, in '16, when the fresh Camaro response arrives, "the gloves will be OFF..."

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Interesting what is happening to the segment. We have great handling muscle cars now. Ford now invested in an IRS and beefed up the 5.0 a little bit so the performance would stay on par with the weight gain. Chevy released the 1LE Camaro to show that they can make the Camaro handle for only $3500 bucks and handle it does. The question is where do we go on powertrains. We have already seen what is coming from the LT1 with the new stingray vette. I would anticipate the gen 6 Camaro SS to weigh 100-200lbs less and have 440-450hp, 440tq bone stock. Intake, LT headers, Tune and you are almost 500hp at the crank. I wonder what Ford is up to. Not sure how much more they can do to the 5.0. They are gonna need a bigger engine bay for a 6.0L DOHC engine. :-)

On balance (something I ALWAYS strive for!), the S550 is, at this moment, where the Camaro was in the '10 model year. And we know that the Team was still fully engaged in defining and refining its offerings. The MARKET DEMANDS that the Stang Salon 'n Spa best be doing the same thing...RIGHT NOW!

And I'm sure they are...

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Good territories to be in...

Yep.

Based on these reviews, Ford just served GM up a home run pitch. GM just has to make it happen.

What surprises me is, with how well the 1LE did, Ford still didn't put enough tire on the performance package.

[LOWDOWN]

Here's something for Ford folks to ponder...seriously:

The C7 with LT1 and 8-Speed Automatic weighs just under 3500 lb, loaded with 3LT and Z51. Runs 11.9s...almost effortlessly...

A Gen-6 Camaro with LT1 and 8-Speed Automatic will, at worst, come in at/under 3,800 lb....and will EQUAL or BEAT the Z/28's 1/4-mile times...

Don't waste your money on a Mustang just yet...

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by big hammer

boss intake and tune make it a different car for sure.

Boss, o/rx, the right tune sure does.

[LostPony]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Boss, o/rx, the right tune sure does.

You didn't hear? A Boss intake on a 5.0 will slay even the mighty Hellcat!

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

It's a "concept"...but a clearly accurate vision of "what will be"....and clearly THE reason for the Stang's new size and weight. You CANNOT compete, as a Lincoln, against ATS-Audi-BMW-MB et al without a very solid 'n scienced platform to build from...

...

Its just a rendering from carscoops.com....but I agree it is a vsion of what could be.

I'm not convinced that the Mustang is the size/weight is is due to Lincoln wanting a sport coupe. I think the Mustang is the size/weight it is because 1) They didn't want to downsize it much 2) The addition of IRS, a stiffer chassis, more safety equipment, suspensions, and brakes.

Its not just because it has to fit a Lincoln. But I do think that Lincoln may use the platform.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Its just a rendering from carscoops.com....but I agree it is a vsion of what could be.

I'm not convinced that the Mustang is the size/weight is is due to Lincoln wanting a sport coupe. I think the Mustang is the size/weight it is because 1) They didn't want to downsize it much 2) The addition of IRS, a stiffer chassis, more safety equipment, suspensions, and brakes.

Its not just because it has to fit a Lincoln.

I agree with KMP on this one.

Yes I have heard the rumors that Lincoln is/wants to get their hands on the S550 for a halo car. ( which I can't wait for!)

[ayceman]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Ford better have something amazing in store for the GT350 and at a reasonable price. Sadly, after these reviews and all the false GT hype I'm less than optimistic. Get your 13-14 Mustang deals while you can!

I am glad My brother and Me got an excellent deal on a 2014 Roush RS (Roush Six), we will be sharing it in addition to me driving my 2010 Camaro SS.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by LostPony

You didn't hear? A Boss intake on a 5.0 will slay even the mighty Hellcat!

Lol I've done the mods myself to a 5.0. A boss intake itself does nothing. Add a tune to go with it and you can rev it around 1300 rpm higher. That's where the gains are. It makes a noticeable difference. Around 4-5 tenths

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Its just a rendering from carscoops.com....but I agree it is a vsion of what could be.

I'm not convinced that the Mustang is the size/weight is is due to Lincoln wanting a sport coupe. I think the Mustang is the size/weight it is because 1) They didn't want to downsize it much 2) The addition of IRS, a stiffer chassis, more safety equipment, suspensions, and brakes.

Its not just because it has to fit a Lincoln. But I do think that Lincoln may use the platform.

It's a well-known fact that, at mid-stage development, "changes" were made. Those changes occurred after Jim Farley was given, amongst many responsibilities, the job of "reinventing" Lincoln.

Up to that point, Pericak's mantra of "at least 200 lb" was on-track. However, that version was more or less a "revised S197 with IRS" and a few other tweaks added. And that version was NOT what Farley wanted to work with...not to compete with the Lincoln version's intended competition. And the Lincoln models (plural) will NOT be just 2-dr versions.

And now the S550 is what it is...a far better foundation than a flexi-flyer S197-based version ever would have been. At the Lincoln's price point, there's budget for light-weight tech adoption, that will eventually trickle down to the Mustang...

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

It's a well-known fact that, at mid-stage development, "changes" were made. Those changes occurred after Jim Farley was given, amongst many responsibilities, the job of "reinventing" Lincoln.

Up to that point, Pericak's mantra of "at least 200 lb" was on-track. However, that version was more or less a "revised S197 with IRS" and a few other tweaks added. And that version was NOT what Farley wanted to work with...not to compete with the Lincoln version's intended competition. And the Lincoln models (plural) will NOT be just 2-dr versions.

And now the S550 is what it is...a far better foundation than a flexi-flyer S197-based version ever would have been. At the Lincoln's price point, there's budget for light-weight tech adoption, that will eventually trickle down to the Mustang...

Wow, I was just over on MustangC6 website and talked about my dislike of the new Mustang HP numbers and a few other things, I was called out being a troll, a Chevy fanboy when I said I had owned many Mustang's and then the moderator threatend to ban me....so like I told him, as long as I am a Ford fanboy and dont complain about the new Mustang then you wont ban me right?, and he basically said yes to that....

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Muscle Car Memories

Wow, I was just over on MustangC6 website and talked about my dislike of the new Mustang HP numbers and a few other things, I was called out being a troll, a Chevy fanboy when I said I had owned many Mustang's and then the moderator threatend to ban me....so like I told him, as long as I am a Ford fanboy and dont complain about the new Mustang then you wont ban me right?, and he basically said yes to that....

You're so mature.

[LOWDOWN]

Go to the "Mustang vs. Z/28" thread, over there, and there are at least 4 pages of posts DELETED and those posters banned. They don't take nicely to ANY "reality" in certain regards...

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Go to the "Mustang vs. Z/28" thread, over there, and there are at least 4 pages of posts DELETED and those posters banned. They don't take nicely to ANY "reality" in certain regards...

Those guys are beside themselves right now. Took down my posts because all that I said was the new Mustang will now be a dead run with the Camaro ss because of the weight gain and I also said that Ford only reacts to what Chevy does, they do nothing until they are forced to.....

So if you dont say something nice about the new Mustang they will threaten to ban you...