New Chevelle instead of a 2016 Camaro?

[FenwickHockey65]

Well for one, design is completely subjective so that's not a valid argument. There are people out there who think the Camaro is the ugliest POS on the planet. Just sayin'.

As for enthusiast following, that only gets you so far. Like I said, enthusiast wet dreams typically don't appeal to the buying public (aka where volume/profit is).

And in case you haven't noticed, consumers have very clearly voted with their wallets in favor of sedans. Hence the reason Chevrolet offers zero coupes outside Camaro/Corvette, Hyundai just killed the Elantra Coupe, Toyota killed the Camry Solara, etc.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Design only goes so far. A 700 HP full size performance coupe would do absolutely horrible in today's market. It's a massive niche car that wouldn't sell in sufficient enough numbers to support the business case, not to mention it wouldn't do any favors for GM's CAFE numbers. And before anyone goes bringing up the Hellcat-powered cars, keep in mind they have rental fleet special V6 Chargers and Challengers that sell at much higher volumes that offset the SRTs.

Some of you need to keep in mind a sobering fact: A lot of Americans really do not care about cars anymore. You're describing enthusiast wet dreams and expecting them to sell tens of thousands of units when in reality, the market for these high performance vehicles is very limited. Chevrolet's performance lineup is already very well-rounded with Camaro, SS, and Corvette.

What you're describing would honestly make better sense as a Cadillac than a reborn Chevelle.

Design only go so far ? Not true! History has backed it up! Just look at the mustang vs. Camaro history. Numbers never lie! The mustang out sold the mustang because of the looks in the 90's and 2000's ! And the 5th Gen Camaro has been selling because of it's looks! The 5th Gen that everyone keep saying is getting old and time for a different design is selling more now than when it first came out! And it has less HP than the other two!

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Design only go so far ? Not true! History has backed it up! Just look at the mustang vs. Camaro history. Numbers never lie! The mustang out sold the mustang because of the looks in the 90's and 2000's ! And the 5th Gen Camaro has been selling because of it's looks! The 5th Gen that everyone keep saying is getting old and time for a different design is selling more now than when it first came out!

No, 100% true. Design is only half the package. If you design a car that looks amazing but lacks performance metrics like power or fuel economy it will flop.

Honestly, I think you're so desperately hung up on the 5th gen that you can't see anything past it, including the glaring flaws the car has that need corrected. So whatever.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

No, 100% true. Design is only half the package. If you design a car that looks amazing but lacks performance metrics like power or fuel economy it will flop.

Honestly, I think you're so desperately hung up on the 5th gen that you can't see anything past it, including the glaring flaws the car has that need corrected. So whatever.

Uh I did say the 90's. and 2000's mustang out sold the camaro from those years! And I'm hung up? But numbers and 10,000 ppl. plus said that you're wrong! It looks like you're the only one that thinks otherwise! Plus every car has its flaws! Please ... show me one that don't?

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Well for one, design is completely subjective so that's not a valid argument. There are people out there who think the Camaro is the ugliest POS on the planet. Just sayin'.

As for enthusiast following, that only gets you so far. Like I said, enthusiast wet dreams typically don't appeal to the buying public (aka where volume/profit is).

And in case you haven't noticed, consumers have very clearly voted with their wallets in favor of sedans. Hence the reason Chevrolet offers zero coupes outside Camaro/Corvette, Hyundai just killed the Elantra Coupe, Toyota killed the Camry Solara, etc.

Why do ppl spend more for a coupe? Why are is there only coupes that cost a million?

[FenwickHockey65]

Do you even understand the concept of a niche car or do I have to explain this one to you too?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. You would have to commit at least 10x the capital and engineering to do an all new Chevelle compared to a heavily modified engine.

Plus your only large coupe architecture is about to die off with the Gen5 Camaro. You would be left with an Alpha coupe....................which is what the Gen6 Camaro is supposed to be.

Now think ahead. Think of a low volume retro Chevelle everyone is going, "I'd buy that". Well that car wouldn't be a $25,000 Chevelle. It would likely be a $40,000 Chevelle and up from there.

GM has a coupe. Two actually. Coupes sell like crap. They sell like hatchbacks and station wagons. So to get a reasonably priced Chevelle you'd need a "base" coupe in the mid 20s. Now how many V6 Camaros would you NOT sell if there was a competing V6 model for the same price in the Chevy showroom? Any guesses? Won't take many to destroy the Camaro business case.

You guys are assuming a Chevelle would be all plus business. It wouldn't be. And to just plop another coupe in the same showroom would be disaster with a capital D.

Yes, it is that simple.

This post got passed over it seems but basically sums up exactly why this thread makes zero business sense whatsoever.

[Number 3]

LOL you guys are arguing over a non argument. I don't care how it's styled or if it's even bigger than the 2016 Camaro and is a 4400 pound car. It would take sales from the Camaro and if bigger like dome are suggesting from the SS. You will RUIN the Zcamaro business case. Unless you are doing a an architecture variant, I.e. Traverse/Enclave/Acadia then you are stealing sales from another car with huge development costs. The days of the coupe were 40 years ago. Can't expect the past to recreate itself simply to have a Chevelle.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Do you even understand the concept of a niche car or do I have to explain this one to you too?

Hahaha .....

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

This post got passed over it seems but basically sums up exactly why this thread makes zero business sense whatsoever.

I definitely don't want just a 700+ HP Chevelle! We need options like this 5th Gen I'm not rich! lmao...

[Drumminxx]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

I definitely don't want just a 700+ HP Chevelle! We need options like this 5th Gen I'm not rich! lmao...

Yea I guess 650 would be good...lol

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Number 3

LOL you guys are arguing over a non argument. I don't care how it's styled or if it's even bigger than the 2016 Camaro and is a 4400 pound car. It would take sales from the Camaro and if bigger like dome are suggesting from the SS. You will RUIN the Zcamaro business case. Unless you are doing a an architecture variant, I.e. Traverse/Enclave/Acadia then you are stealing sales from another car with huge development costs. The days of the coupe were 40 years ago. Can't expect the past to recreate itself simply to have a Chevelle.

Well if it's bigger than the 2016 Camaro that would mean it's the size of these 5th Gens ! 44000 pounds? Ofcourse you and nobody Else would want a 4400 car that's extreme! And I was talking about the chevelle replacing the Camaro that's why I put the title as it!
Plus I would like to see it in a 4 door and 2 door just to go against the charger! This would be a great way for GM to do everything you have been talking bout in other threads about GM making a car that you know they're capable of! You know the one that would have BMW saying how did they do that!

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by Drumminxx

Yea I guess 650 would be good...lol

Oh, No! I agree with the 700+ HP to have that old school rivalry. chevelle vs challenger! I just want all options. because it would be replacing the Camaro! So it would only succeed if it had options like a V6 and V8 with 400+ HP!

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

This thread is a perfect example of the disconnect between enthusiasts and reality...

People make reality and people decide what reality is. Certain people throughout history have changed the "current reality" buy thinking outside the box. If Dodge had your tunnel vision we wouldn't have 707hp family cars. I'm glad they are choosing to try and make their own reality. That's all we're asking for from GM. Instead of cars like the SS. It smells of GTO all over again.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by motorhead

People make reality and people decide what reality is. Certain people through out history have changed the "current reality" buy thinking outside the box. If Dodge had your tunnel vision we wouldn't have 707hp family cars. I'm glad they are choosing to try and make their own reality. That's all we're asking for from GM. Instead of cars like the SS. It smells of GTO all over again.

100% Agree! Make the Camaro team go after the Corvette team like the Challenger and viper team! Because now look what they came up with ! And we already know the competition makes best!