2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[archtaan]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

This is what enthusiasts were hoping for. Not just a monster engine dropped in an outdated platform. The 'Cuda or whatever they were hinting at recently would be the game changer.

It would be great. Guess we will have to wait and see. The Hellcat is the last hurrah for the Challenger line before its redo.

[BayouTiger]

Originally Posted by archtaan

The funny irony in your post is that the 2011 392 SRT out handles the SS. Not by much but its very, very close. Gets destroyed by the 1LE and ZL1 though.

Lightning lap times C&D VIR

1LE 3:01.50

Boss LS 3:02.80

Mustang GT 3:08.60

SRT392 3:09.40

Camaro SS 3:09.50

The outstanding handling capability of the ZL1 and 1LE have given the impression that all Camaro's handle better than Challengers. On the flip side, the initial tests of the peg leg early SRT8 6.1 challengers has given the impression that it cant handle at all.

Originally Posted by RoostKing

Whats up Archtann!

Troy and Tim! Wondered where you folks been hiding! Didn't know you were hanging out here with the Chevy guys!!!

As a die hard Mopar guy and owner of one them old 09 SRT8 battleships that (yes) runs quarter mile, standing mile, and (gasp) road course. Much of what has been said is somewhat accurate, except that the Challengers generally overachieved what would be expected from a 4400lb pig, but OTOH, the Camaros from what I have seen have somewhat underperformed in stock trim. From every specification, they should just handily whip the Dodge in every way, but at the track, they're pretty much neck and neck.

Also, don't judge all the Mopar guys as being an angry lot based of the Challenger forums, a tiny handful of people did everything in their power to destroy that community over the years, and it's a really sad situation. I've been very active in the Challenger community for many years and have known most of the players involved in that carnage and it's one of the most baffling things I've ever witnessed.

Here's a few facts:

1. Camaro and Mustang will always outsell the Challenger. I am not surprised at the margin, I'm actually surprised that the Dodge has done as well as it has. Mother Mopar left the game for over 30 years! As such we have a disproportionate number of old farts like me and not a lot of youngsters by comparison. As such every convert is very hard won and for a huge number of Challenger owners, it is their very first Chrysler product ever.

2. GM and Chrysler fans truly owe Ford a huge debt of gratitude for keeping the segment alive when everyone wanted it dead. What they have squeezed out of that platform is truly amazing. Along the same lines, what Chrysler has squeezed out of the LX sedan platform is also amazing. Chevy had a huge advantage of starting with a modern platform to build from. Kudo's to GM for having Holden keep the true spirit of the American muscle car alive even when we were too blind and stupid to save it ourselves!

3. It's mid 2014 and American enthusiasts are debating whether this factory produced muscle car will really run 10's or that one really has 700hp, or the other one can really make a real attempt with staying with a bunch of very capable euroboxes at the road course. Add that the Muscle car segment is the most brand loyal of all segment and we have a great, competitive segment that just keeps getting bigger and better with all three badges playing, and much like any family, we will all be there together when they do come to try and take our toys away!!!!

You guys over here have had a great board for a long time. Always a pleasure to stop in and say hello!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

figure just a hair over 600rwhp@4400#'s , 126mph sounds about right...130 would be a stretch

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

Lingenfelter's car is a turd...

Originally Posted by AEP11

No surprise those guys (Hennessey) are putting out shit times. With that power it should be clicking off 1.4's ALL DAY.

Lingenfelter LPE700**10.935@133.66 MPH**623 whp**6.61 HP/lb **93 Octane
Hennessy HPE700 **10.8273@ 131.58 MPH ** 671 rwhp ** 6.14 HP/lb
Lingenfelter LPE700+ ** 10.794@ 134.36 MPH** 722 rwhp** 5.72 HP/lb ** additional mods and 109 octane racing fuel.
Jessrayo's ZL1 **** 10.6238@ 134.45 MPH *** 835 rwhp ** 1.45s 60 foot with nitrous shot in 3rd

The Hellcat's 10.85 run fits between the LPE700 and HPE700. Using linear interpolation, it would need 6.24 HP/lb so to move 4400 lbs equals 705 rwhp!

Is the 707 rating rear wheel? Maybe its additional weight its helping it hook better.

I've post links to videos with time slips of the ZL1's making the runs listed above in recent post. Post #908, 921, 931

Originally Posted by rocket403

so Dodge has posted the track times if this is a ringer then there will be a lot of people upset when there Hellcat runs 12

Yes. It will be interesting to see how the press does.

[AEP11]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Lingenfelter LPE700**10.935@133.66 MPH**623 whp**6.61 HP/lb **93 Octane
Hennessy HPE700 **10.8273@ 131.58 MPH ** 671 rwhp ** 6.14 HP/lb
Lingenfelter LPE700+ ** 10.794@ 134.36 MPH** 722 rwhp** 5.72 HP/lb ** additional mods and 109 octane racing fuel.
Jessrayo's ZL1 **** 10.6238@ 134.45 MPH *** 835 rwhp ** 1.45s 60 foot with nitrous shot in 3rd

The Hellcat's 10.85 run fits between the LPE700 and HPE700. Using linear interpolation, it would need 6.24 HP/lb so to move 4400 lbs equals 705 rwhp!

Is the 707 rating rear wheel? Maybe is additional weight is helping it hook better.

I've post links to videos with time slips of the ZL1's making the runs listed above in recent post. Post #908, 921, 931



Yes. It will be interesting to see how the press does.

No way. The MPH tells the tale. Some of those trap nearly 10mph more. Thats huge!

Id expect to see the HellCat in the low 600rwhp range.

Idk what to say about those cars. The mph is there the et isnt. Guess they're having a hard time getting out of the hole?

No reason a 800+rwhp 5th Gen shouldn't be a 9sec car.


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[RoostKing]

Originally Posted by BayouTiger

Troy and Tim! Wondered where you folks been hiding! Didn't know you were hanging out here with the Chevy guys!!!

As a die hard Mopar guy and owner of one them old 09 SRT8 battleships that (yes) runs quarter mile, standing mile, and (gasp) road course. Much of what has been said is somewhat accurate, except that the Challengers generally overachieved what would be expected from a 4400lb pig, but OTOH, the Camaros from what I have seen have somewhat underperformed in stock trim. From every specification, they should just handily whip the Dodge in every way, but at the track, they're pretty much neck and neck.

Also, don't judge all the Mopar guys as being an angry lot based of the Challenger forums, a tiny handful of people did everything in their power to destroy that community over the years, and it's a really sad situation. I've been very active in the Challenger community for many years and have known most of the players involved in that carnage and it's one of the most baffling things I've ever witnessed.

Here's a few facts:

1. Camaro and Mustang will always outsell the Challenger. I am not surprised at the margin, I'm actually surprised that the Dodge has done as well as it has. Mother Mopar left the game for over 30 years! As such we have a disproportionate number of old farts like me and not a lot of youngsters by comparison. As such every convert is very hard won and for a huge number of Challenger owners, it is their very first Chrysler product ever.

2. GM and Chrysler fans truly owe Ford a huge debt of gratitude for keeping the segment alive when everyone wanted it dead. What they have squeezed out of that platform is truly amazing. Along the same lines, what Chrysler has squeezed out of the LX sedan platform is also amazing. Chevy had a huge advantage of starting with a modern platform to build from. Kudo's to GM for having Holden keep the true spirit of the American muscle car alive even when we were too blind and stupid to save it ourselves!

3. It's mid 2014 and American enthusiasts are debating whether this factory produced muscle car will really run 10's or that one really has 700hp, or the other one can really make a real attempt with staying with a bunch of very capable euroboxes at the road course. Add that the Muscle car segment is the most brand loyal of all segment and we have a great, competitive segment that just keeps getting bigger and better with all three badges playing, and much like any family, we will all be there together when they do come to try and take our toys away!!!!

You guys over here have had a great board for a long time. Always a pleasure to stop in and say hello!

Whats up man!! I came over to see if there was much hatred being spewed the HellCats way. Surprisingly not much at all, which is cool!!

Regarding sales figures. The Challenger was selling more cars the current year than the previous year. Pretty good stat and testimony IMO to the looks and performance of an 8 year old car. It would have sold more in 2015 than 2014 without ANY changes whatsoever.

[BayouTiger]

The 707 is at the flywheel. My 09 is 650ish at the wheels and traps at 11.2 @ 130 the holeshot, especially with the M6 is really tough to get right. I'm guessing my weight at about 4500. Pretty sure I could get a 10.9x with a bit more practice.

[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

That's simply amazing and major credit goes to Dodge for stepping up big time for making this car. I love my car, but this is what Chevy should have done with the ZL1. It would pay tribute to it's real heritage.

The problem with the ZL1s heritage is it didn't sell in '69. I'm glad Chevy created the ZL1 what it is and it is more proof that their direction isn't straight line performance. If it was, the ZL1 would have been the Z/28 and the stripped down version would have been the ZL1, and yet another engine looking for a chasis.

Chevy is producing cars with handling in mind...ZL1 (marketed with 'ring times so you can't say it's their drag car), Z/28, 1LE. Dodge and Ford seem to be focused on straight line performance...Dodge maybe more so than Ford now. Neither is right or wrong, it's all a matter of personal preference.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by archtaan

The 1LE is a badass SS. No doubt. Outhandles the Boss LS in its own backyard Best $3500 option on the market.

However, the 1.71% (1400 units sold 2013) take rate on the 1LE sure isnt setting any sales records.

I can understand why the Mustang sales are down, everyone is getting ready for the mystery number GT production to start. Doesnt matter what the specs are, it will be faster and handle better than the SS.

The Challenger has always lagged in sales vs. the Mustang and the Camaro, but it has a much higher take rate on V8 cars vs. the Camaro. For the Challenger, V8 cars have outsold the V6 cars every single year except for 2012 where 1800 or so more V6 cars were sold than V8's.

Remember, more V6 Auto Camaros are sold than all V8 Camaros combined. The ZL1 and Z28's outstanding marketing and reviews are driving the sales despite their very low sales numbers. Perfect marketing strategy if you ask me.

That 2016 platform update for the SS cant happen fast enough. When it does, the SS will not only lead sales, but it will likely be kind of the hill again in its market segment.

Then in 2017-2018 when the LC gets its new lighter/smaller chassis it will take the lead again. Then Ford will leapfrog again. Isnt it great!

Nobody really knew how great the 1LE was in 2013 but now for 2014 the 1LE is the hottest selling Camaro! Ppl with mustang's and Dodge's love them and some are even trading for one! Heck, I never knew what a 1LE package was until 2013! And ofcourse, 1LE sales won't set the house on fire but neither did the it's competition the boss !

[mrvenicess]

I have a 650 whp ZL1 auto that runs 10.7 all day in the Florida heat and has run a best of 10.625@130.91 mph. with 18" DRs so maybe those tuner cars aren't running the best. Post #2605 on the fast list for time slip. 60' of 1.560. Im not too worried about running into a Hellcat. That being said I think its pretty wonderful that we are getting the cars we are, be it Mustang, Camaro or Dodge. This is truly the golden age of American/Canadian muscle!! Cant wait to see a 200 lb lighter 2017 ZL1 with an LT4 in it!

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by BayouTiger

Troy and Tim! Wondered where you folks been hiding! Didn't know you were hanging out here with the Chevy guys!!!

As a die hard Mopar guy and owner of one them old 09 SRT8 battleships that (yes) runs quarter mile, standing mile, and (gasp) road course. Much of what has been said is somewhat accurate, except that the Challengers generally overachieved what would be expected from a 4400lb pig, but OTOH, the Camaros from what I have seen have somewhat underperformed in stock trim. From every specification, they should just handily whip the Dodge in every way, but at the track, they're pretty much neck and neck.

Also, don't judge all the Mopar guys as being an angry lot based of the Challenger forums, a tiny handful of people did everything in their power to destroy that community over the years, and it's a really sad situation. I've been very active in the Challenger community for many years and have known most of the players involved in that carnage and it's one of the most baffling things I've ever witnessed.

Here's a few facts:

1. Camaro and Mustang will always outsell the Challenger. I am not surprised at the margin, I'm actually surprised that the Dodge has done as well as it has. Mother Mopar left the game for over 30 years! As such we have a disproportionate number of old farts like me and not a lot of youngsters by comparison. As such every convert is very hard won and for a huge number of Challenger owners, it is their very first Chrysler product ever.

2. GM and Chrysler fans truly owe Ford a huge debt of gratitude for keeping the segment alive when everyone wanted it dead. What they have squeezed out of that platform is truly amazing. Along the same lines, what Chrysler has squeezed out of the LX sedan platform is also amazing. Chevy had a huge advantage of starting with a modern platform to build from. Kudo's to GM for having Holden keep the true spirit of the American muscle car alive even when we were too blind and stupid to save it ourselves!

3. It's mid 2014 and American enthusiasts are debating whether this factory produced muscle car will really run 10's or that one really has 700hp, or the other one can really make a real attempt with staying with a bunch of very capable euroboxes at the road course. Add that the Muscle car segment is the most brand loyal of all segment and we have a great, competitive segment that just keeps getting bigger and better with all three badges playing, and much like any family, we will all be there together when they do come to try and take our toys away!!!!

You guys over here have had a great board for a long time. Always a pleasure to stop in and say hello!

I'm a die hard Chevy guy myself, even though I drive a Charger R/T (long story). But yes, always love to come here as well as the Ford and Dodge forums to see what others are talking about. One day I will get my Chevy again, but since having my Charger, I am also liking the Hellcat. Main reason, V8 RWD. Gotta love that American muscle.

Originally Posted by RoostKing

Whats up man!! I came over to see if there was much hatred being spewed the HellCats way. Surprisingly not much at all, which is cool!!

Regarding sales figures. The Challenger was selling more cars the current year than the previous year. Pretty good stat and testimony IMO to the looks and performance of an 8 year old car. It would have sold more in 2015 than 2014 without ANY changes whatsoever.

Can never hate American Muscle, and all this horsepower wars are just great for the consumer.

[MZ1]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

Nice! Bad ass car indeed. It is a low 11 sec car all day long.

*NHRA Certified 10.8 @126 with street legal drag radial tires
*NHRA Certified 11.2 @125 with production tires

Extremely impressive for something strait off the show room floor. Not many American cars can do that.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by mrvenicess

I have a 650 whp ZL1 auto that runs 10.7 all day in the Florida heat and has run a best of 10.625@130.91 mph. with 18" DRs so maybe those tuner cars aren't running the best. Post #2605 on the fast list for time slip. 60' of 1.560. Im not too worried about running into a Hellcat.

Absolutely can and has been done by ZL1s since 2012 and your car is badass!

I'm new to this level of power and speed and am trying to understand how much power it will take to move a car to 10.8 sec that is 380 lb heavier than a ZL1 on 275 tires. Referencing against name tuners is a good place to start

I just got my ZL1 a few months ago and, if everything stays good in the world, plan on looking into the Lingenfelter LPE700 next spring. A 623 rwhp tuner car with 24 month/24,000 mile warranty that does 10.935 @ 133.66 MPH is no "turd" in my book. At the price I bought new, I'd be into it ~$63k!

[King Sun]

I think the hellcat haters in this thread is missing the entire point of the car

[CamaroTom]

Originally Posted by archtaan

The 1LE is a badass SS. No doubt. Outhandles the Boss LS in its own backyard Best $3500 option on the market.

However, the 1.71% (1400 units sold 2013) take rate on the 1LE sure isnt setting any sales records.

They made 1826 1LE's in 2013. Not many people knew they could get one. Sales will be at least double for 2014 when they release the numbers.