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View Poll Results: What do you think of the style of the 2015 Mustang?
Really like it. 62 21.99%
Undecided, but leaning positive. 80 28.37%
Undecided, but leaning negative. 69 24.47%
Don't like it at all. 71 25.18%
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:28 PM   #575
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That looks much, much better. Wow. The rear with that body color valance has an almost exotic look. They should all be like that.

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Old 12-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #576
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I think this article has the most realistic info yet.

They predict + 20/10 from the Coyote, reasonable.
True. That would put the 5.0 at 440hp. Enough to be ahead of the 2014-2015 Camaro SS. Now when the 2016 Camaro comes with the LT1 at 450hp (maybe?), then the 5.0 will get a bump again in hp to probably 470hp. Just enough to stay ahead...
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Old 12-07-2013, 10:57 PM   #577
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True. That would put the 5.0 at 440hp. Enough to be ahead of the 2014-2015 Camaro SS. Now when the 2016 Camaro comes with the LT1 at 450hp (maybe?), then the 5.0 will get a bump again in hp to probably 470hp. Just enough to stay ahead...

I like the way you think.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:18 PM   #578
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I snorted when I read this.

I have actually used it to charge...pretty poorly I might add.

What can I even use it for? I dont have the EP.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:28 PM   #579
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I think this article has the most realistic info yet.

They predict + 20/10 from the Coyote, reasonable.

Something else that stood out to me other than it probably gained 100lbs is the fact that they still refuse to put wide tires under the Mustang and when they upgrade brakes they only mentioned the fronts getting Brembos. Does that mean they are going to keep up with the asinine tradition of keeping the same single piston floating caliper in the rear whether it be the base 6 cylinder (or 4 cylinder) or the bad assed GT5000000 or whatever the hell they plan to call it...
There are already SVT mules running around with 11's up front and 13's in the rear. Wide rubber really won't be an issue with this car. Not to mention the rear brakes really aren't that big of an issue.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:34 PM   #580
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Yes. Why is it asinine again?

Never mind that there is no way a single piston floating caliper can put perform a 4 piston fixed caliper Brembo it looks like crap to boot.

The Mustang going back as far as I can remember (at least the late 70's) has always skimped on suspension/brakes/wheels/tires. At least now they are making a concerted effort to get a suspension under the car but they still (from reading this article) are skimping on brakes, wheels and tires.

It makes no difference to me I have a 1LE with ZL1 brakes on it. So my car has paid attention to all of the above aspects of a performance vehicle. I'll add power to my liking.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:37 PM   #581
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It just dawned on me you have a ZL1 and a GT500 (good for you, seriously I'm a little jealous) which car stops better and more times. Everything I have read says your ZL1 does.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:39 PM   #582
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There are already SVT mules running around with 11's up front and 13's in the rear. Wide rubber really won't be an issue with this car. Not to mention the rear brakes really aren't that big of an issue.

Rear brakes aren't much of an issue if you only go 1/4 mile at a time. If you want to Road Course they need to be a little better.

I'm glad the new one can fit bigger tires. The current always seems to have trouble fitting bigger tires. Well that's what the local Mustang guys have told me at least.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:43 PM   #583
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True. That would put the 5.0 at 440hp. Enough to be ahead of the 2014-2015 Camaro SS. Now when the 2016 Camaro comes with the LT1 at 450hp (maybe?), then the 5.0 will get a bump again in hp to probably 470hp. Just enough to stay ahead...
Huh? When did the 14 - 15 camaro ss come with more horsepower than the 10-13 ? Did I miss something?
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:14 AM   #584
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Had a ZL1. I sold it a little while ago. I did run both cars on the same tracks, primarily Barber and Road Atlanta, and neither both cars performed great at those venues and braking was never an issue at any point.

I agree that Brembos on the rear look better, but in my experience, they really don't make any significant difference from a braking standpoint. I think if you read the press on the new Mustang, you will see it has an improved suspension and the GT is getting 6 piston Brembos and bigger discs all the way around.

As for tires, I ran a 19x9.5 wheel with a 265/30 tire on the front and 19x11 wheels in the rear mounted with 305/30's on my former Boss and have that same setup on my GT500 with no issues. If Ford chooses to run a narrower tire setup from the factory, I'm sure they have their reasons, but it's not because they can't fit them on the car.
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Old 12-08-2013, 01:47 AM   #585
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Huh? When did the 14 - 15 camaro ss come with more horsepower than the 10-13 ? Did I miss something?
No the '14-'15 Camaro doesn't have more power. I was just comparing the refreshed years because they will be the ones around the same time the 2015 Mustang comes out. But yes the '10-'15 Camaro SS all have 426hp.
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:28 AM   #586
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Never mind that there is no way a single piston floating caliper can put perform a 4 piston fixed caliper Brembo it looks like crap to boot.

The Mustang going back as far as I can remember (at least the late 70's) has always skimped on suspension/brakes/wheels/tires. At least now they are making a concerted effort to get a suspension under the car but they still (from reading this article) are skimping on brakes, wheels and tires.

It makes no difference to me I have a 1LE with ZL1 brakes on it. So my car has paid attention to all of the above aspects of a performance vehicle. I'll add power to my liking.
Will it still be considered "skimping" when this car is showing it's tail lights to the SS in every racing venue out there, just curious.
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Will it still be considered "skimping" when this car is showing it's tail lights to the SS in every racing venue out there, just curious.
That remains to be seen. As it is all the Mustang wins, are races that have no turns in them. Even then it is usually up to the driver.

Listen this Mustang will be nice but it's fatter than it was and it didn't gain much power and it's still weak on TQ. The looks are subjective too.

So until it actually wins a race don't be so smug.

You act like this is 2002 and Camaro production has stopped, and it won't get any better. You know it's just a matter of time until an LT1 is sitting between the fenders of an SS albeit will most likely be a 6th Gen.

When the next Camaro debuts I'm confident it will head in the right direction in more categories.

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Old 12-08-2013, 10:19 AM   #588
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I agree. It may make more later but I don't see Ford unleashing everything until they see what the Camaro does in 6gen form.
I would tend to disagree. Ford likes to pre-empt GM on these things. I would not be surprised to even see a Boss "352" version that equates to what the new Z/28 does on a track along with the carbon ceramics rotors and all the other goodies.

And, possibly even a drag race specific "package"...

We shall see. The new Stang looks better than the old one, a little more progressive, and if the quality is built in, and not just cosmetics, it could give a Gen 6 a run for the money regarding front page news.

I hope and suspect GM is preparing well. It would be good to see some Camaro Disciples comment on this!!
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