2013 GT500 Video about TRACTION

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by TheReaper

2006 Ford GT.

LMAO...you're kidding, right?

Let's see...

Nurburgring
ZR1 - 7:19.63
GT - 7:40.06

0-60
ZR1 - 3.2
GT - 3.2 (about the only place it's even close)

1/4 Mile
ZR1 - 10.66 - 132.9
GT - 11.2 - 131.2

Of course, Ford isn't even making it anymore...so there's really nothing to compare the ZR1 to these days but the Shelby GT500.

I'll repeat...once Ford makes something that can compete with the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

LMAO...you're kidding, right?

Let's see...

Nurburgring
ZR1 - 7:19.63
GT - 7:40.06

0-60
ZR1 - 3.2
GT - 3.2 (about the only place it's even close)

1/4 Mile
ZR1 - 10.66 - 132.9
GT - 11.2 - 131.2

Of course, Ford isn't even making it anymore...so there's really nothing to compare the ZR1 to these days but the Shelby GT500.

I'll repeat...once Ford makes something that can compete with the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

I'm pretty sure he was saying that in 2006 the Ford GT could, "compete with the Corvette" and then some. . .

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

LMAO...you're kidding, right?

Let's see...

Nurburgring
ZR1 - 7:19.63
GT - 7:40.06

0-60
ZR1 - 3.2
GT - 3.2 (about the only place it's even close)

1/4 Mile
ZR1 - 10.66 - 132.9
GT - 11.2 - 131.2

Of course, Ford isn't even making it anymore...so there's really nothing to compare the ZR1 to these days but the Shelby GT500.

I'll repeat...once Ford makes something that can compete with the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

What does a ZR-1 cost? Just curious.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

What does a ZR-1 cost? Just curious.

I was able to get the cost up to almost $127,000 using Chevy's website.

Looked at GT price (from 2006, so remember there's inflation)...and it started at $140,000 then went to $150,000.

GT's a fast car, no doubt...and for a short time out-performed the Corvette C5, as the C6 came out shortly after the GT.

Point is that the Shelby GT500 is Ford's flagship now, and is nowhere close to the current Chevy flagship. Of course, the Camaro ZL1 suffers because they will not put out anything that blows away the ZR1 in the Camaro models. They are already putting out something super-fast in the Corvette.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

I was able to get the cost up to almost $127,000 using Chevy's website.

Looked at GT price (from 2006, so remember there's inflation)...and it started at $140,000 then went to $150,000.

GT's a fast car, no doubt...and for a short time out-performed the Corvette C5, as the C6 came out shortly after the GT.
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Are you seriously suggesting that the GT didn't outperform the C6? Come on man. I have driven both extensively and I would trade my z06 for a GT in a frickin' heartbeat. You can't get a good example for under $180k anymore for good reason. It is a vastly superior car to anything Chevrolet made in 2006 and that includes the C6 z06. The C5 wasn't even remotely close in any configuration and I don't know why we're even talking about it.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Are you seriously suggesting that the GT didn't outperform the C6? Come on man. I have driven both extensively and I would trade my z06 for a GT in a frickin' heartbeat. You can't get a good example for under $180k anymore for good reason. It is a vastly superior car to anything Chevrolet made in 2006 and that includes the C6 z06. The C5 wasn't even remotely close in any configuration and I don't know why we're even talking about it.

Looking at the numbers, which I got from various sources on the web...

The GT is slower than the C6 (ZR1) in both the 1/4 mile AND on a road course...so YES, I am saying it's slower than the fastest Corvette (ZR1) that's out right now (and came out shortly after the GT came out (2008 & ran a 7:29 Nurburgring, which was faster than the GT). Kind of like how the recent Shelby GT500 was a response to the ZL1...

If you can show me numbers that show the GT is faster than the C6 ZR1 which was a response to the GT, please do...or you can go look at the Nurburgring numbers and 1/4 mile times for yourself.

As far as the reason for the cost...it's a rare car (~3400 produced), unlike the ZR1 which is still in production...so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Looking at the numbers, which I got from various sources on the web...

The GT is slower than the C6 (ZR1) in both the 1/4 mile AND on a road course...so YES, I am saying it's slower than the fastest Corvette (ZR1) that's out right now (and came out shortly after the GT came out (2008 & ran a 7:29 Nurburgring, which was faster than the GT). Kind of like how the recent Shelby GT500 was a response to the ZL1...

If you can show me numbers that show the GT is faster than the C6 ZR1 which was a response to the GT, please do...or you can go look at the Nurburgring numbers and 1/4 mile times for yourself.

As far as the reason for the cost...it's a rare car (~3400 produced), unlike the ZR1 which is still in production...so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

The ZR1 came out 3 years after the GT ceased production. . . at the time of the GT's production the Z06 was the fastest GM production vehicle. The Nurburgring lap time for the GT was done by a magazine . In response to your,

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

When Ford makes something faster than the Corvette, then maybe I'll be impressed...

2006. Really, I can understand brand preference, but give credit where it's due.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by trademaster

2006. Really, I can understand brand preference, but give credit where it's due.

I love how you misinterpreted my question to refer to the past. As I said, both Ford & Chevy have always had a back and forth as far as the "faster" car, and that's gone on for years.

My comment did not say "When Ford MADE something faster than the Corvette, then maybe I'll be impressed.."

Yes, the GT was faster at one time...just like the Camaro was faster until the Shelby GT500 was faster. And, as I said...it is unlikely that Chevy will ever build something more powerful and faster than their flagship in the Camaro since they don't want to outdo their flagship product, the Corvette.

Even so, the Camaro ZL1 is faster (and better suited) to road courses without modifications, considering the brake fade that's been reported in so many tests in the Shelby after just one or two laps.

The Shelby has more power because there are no limits to the power since that is Fords flagship. We can go into the live axle and other problems with lack of technology in the Shelby as well if you want. You can put lipstick (power) on a pig, but it's still a pig. Until Ford does something with those things, they will still be second best in my book.

Again, when Ford makes something faster than the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

I love how you misinterpreted my question to refer to the past. As I said, both Ford & Chevy have always had a back and forth as far as the "faster" car, and that's gone on for years.

My comment did not say "When Ford MADE something faster than the Corvette, then maybe I'll be impressed.."

Yes, the GT was faster at one time...just like the Camaro was faster until the Shelby GT500 was faster. And, as I said...it is unlikely that Chevy will ever build something more powerful and faster than their flagship in the Camaro since they don't want to outdo their flagship product, the Corvette.

Even so, the Camaro ZL1 is faster (and better suited) to road courses without modifications, considering the brake fade that's been reported in so many tests in the Shelby after just one or two laps.

The Shelby has more power because there are no limits to the power since that is Fords flagship. We can go into the live axle and other problems with lack of technology in the Shelby as well if you want. You can put lipstick (power) on a pig, but it's still a pig. Until Ford does something with those things, they will still be second best in my book.

Again, when Ford makes something faster than the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

As far as market cannibalism goes, how does the 2014 Z28 and the new Stingray fare? From what I understand, and I could be totally wrong, but the Stingray is going to be somewhere in the low to mid 50's maybe more with options. Now the ZL-1 comes in at what maybe around 60K? The 2014 Z28 I am going to assume will be more expensive than the ZL-1. Maybe mid-60's? Maybe close to 70K? The Stingray and the Z28 will both be n/a, and neither may be all that much if any faster than the supercharged ZL-1. Steve, I had Camaros in the 90's, my dad had a fiberglass 69 Stingray with a bored out 327 and Mickey Thompson headers and a 4-speed. Amazing car for 1969. But this ZL-1/Z28/Stingray market looks very confused. Will the Stingray outperform both those Camaros? It looks like you might have two Camaros that equal the new Vette's performance or come fairly close. Who is the target buyer for each car? Why would anyone pay close to 70K for a Camaro that very well may not outperform another Camaro priced under it and with a stronger engine? Or pay 10-15K more for a Camaro that has the same engine as a new Corvette? I guess it is good for the consumer to have so many choices but this business model seems to be a bit hard to comprehend.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Lemmy

As far as market cannibalism goes, how does the 2014 Z28 and the new Stingray fare? From what I understand, and I could be totally wrong, but the Stingray is going to be somewhere in the low to mid 50's maybe more with options. Now the ZL-1 comes in at what maybe around 60K? The 2014 Z28 I am going to assume will be more expensive than the ZL-1. Maybe mid-60's? Maybe close to 70K? The Stingray and the Z28 will both be n/a, and neither may be all that much if any faster than the supercharged ZL-1. Steve, I had Camaros in the 90's, my dad had a fiberglass 69 Stingray with a bored out 327 and Mickey Thompson headers and a 4-speed. Amazing car for 1969. But this ZL-1/Z28/Stingray market looks very confused. Will the Stingray outperform both those Camaros? It looks like you might have two Camaros that equal the new Vette's performance or come fairly close. Who is the target buyer for each car? Why would anyone pay close to 70K for a Camaro that very well may not outperform another Camaro priced under it and with a stronger engine? Or pay 10-15K more for a Camaro that has the same engine as a new Corvette? I guess it is good for the consumer to have so many choices but this business model seems to be a bit hard to comprehend.

My understanding is that within the next year or two, the Z06 and ZR1 C7's will be coming out, but some of that is speculative.

The Vette and Camaro really don't compete against each other. Different target markets, I suppose. The ZL1 will continue to be the big horse as far as Camaros go, and I haven't really read much on the Z-28 to be honest.

I've been paying more attention to the Stingray, as I just love the look of the car...though I still love the look of the Camaro as well. I have already talked to Hennessey Performance about doing the 700hp version of the Stingray (or ZL1) if I got it. I suppose I could wait until higher end models of the Stingray come out as well. I am sort of waiting to see what the timeline on the release of the higher end Corvettes will be. It'll be about a 6 months to a year before I get back from North Carolina and will be ready to buy, so I have time to wait for more info.

[2012 Mustang GT]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...rch=true&Log=0


http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...rch=true&Log=0

yep your ZR1 might post a few better numbers on a track. Just dont buy one b/c after 3 years you lose 40,000-50,000 in value. While the GT is almost 10 years old and the cheapest ones are close to 100,000 more than sticker....
And since 2009 they sold 4690 ZR1s and from 05-06 they sold 4038 Ford GTs So even though it was in production 3 years longer they've barely sold 600 more ZR1s

[72MachOne99GT]

I doubt anyone who buys a zr1 does so because it holds value..

technology is awesome as far as im concerned...

if ford had kept the GT around (im glad they didnt) maybe itd be making 660+ hp and wearing cup tires doing battle with zr1s to this day.

but its not, so its speculation.

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

I love how you misinterpreted my question to refer to the past. As I said, both Ford & Chevy have always had a back and forth as far as the "faster" car, and that's gone on for years.

My comment did not say "When Ford MADE something faster than the Corvette, then maybe I'll be impressed.."

Yes, the GT was faster at one time...just like the Camaro was faster until the Shelby GT500 was faster. And, as I said...it is unlikely that Chevy will ever build something more powerful and faster than their flagship in the Camaro since they don't want to outdo their flagship product, the Corvette.

Even so, the Camaro ZL1 is faster (and better suited) to road courses without modifications, considering the brake fade that's been reported in so many tests in the Shelby after just one or two laps.

The Shelby has more power because there are no limits to the power since that is Fords flagship. We can go into the live axle and other problems with lack of technology in the Shelby as well if you want. You can put lipstick (power) on a pig, but it's still a pig. Until Ford does something with those things, they will still be second best in my book.

Again, when Ford makes something faster than the Corvette, I'll be impressed.

What does that mean? Please explain.

[72MachOne99GT]

He is under the impression the LS1 cars were faster than all Mustangs until the first gt500 in '07

Hes obviously experiencing selective memory.