40% reduced fuel consumption and fewer emissions?

[CamaroSpike23]

check it out...

six stroke engine...thats right, I said SIX STROKE engine

utilizing the 5/6 strokes with steam to cool the comb chamber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crower_six_stroke

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...THISWEEKSISSUE

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Crower's_Six-Stroke_Engine

http://www.popsci.com/node/9649

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=467

http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems...hapuram&Page=O

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...e-engines.html



http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/QTM...Stroke0509.pdf

[Mr. Wyndham]

So the heat-exchange-and-"remove" stroke is also a power-stroke due to the water becoming steam? Huh, well I'll be a Hyundai enthusiast...

That's Nuts. And insane!
I'll be very interested in hearing about the power/fuel economy gains over a similarly-sized deisel or gas engine. Dang.....

[DGthe3]

Just when you though that there weren't any significant changes that could be made to the infernal combustion engine.

[CamaroSpike23]

bump

[coolman]

So, now were going to carry a water tank and a gas tank. Love to see how that's going to work in the winter. How will carring 200lb of water on top of fuel save anything. Well, I guess anything is possible. With out guys like that where would we be today.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

bump

Way to necro-post!!
More than a year!

Originally Posted by coolman

so now were going to carry a water tank and a gas tank. Love to see how that's going to work in the winter. How will carring 200lb of water on top of fuel save anything.

Did you read how the engine works?

As for water in the winter...I'm sure they said the same thing about the radiator when that was introduced. What you say is surely a challenge to overcome...if anybody's serious about this thing -- they'll figure it out!

EDIT: Maybe a heat coil in the water tank?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by coolman

So, now were going to carry a water tank and a gas tank. Love to see how that's going to work in the winter. How will carring 200lb of water on top of fuel save anything. Well, I guess anything is possible. With out guys like that where would we be today.

how do you keep your radiator and overflow tank from freezing in the winter time? do you know there are fluids out there that have near identical properties to water, but their boiling and freezing points are extremely different.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Way to necro-post!!
More than a year!
I do what I can. lol

Did you read how the engine works?

As for water in the winter...I'm sure they said the same thing about the radiator when that was introduced. What you say is surely a challenge to overcome...if anybody's serious about this thing -- they'll figure it out!

EDIT: Maybe a heat coil in the water tank?

or a heating blanket around the water tank.


either way, that is a small problem to overcome.

[coolman]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

how do you keep your radiator and overflow tank from freezing in the winter time? do you know there are fluids out there that have near identical properties to water, but their boiling and freezing points are extremely different.




or a heating blanket around the water tank.


either way, that is a small problem to overcome.

If your talking about antifreeze, that wouldn't do very well in a combustion chamber, plus think of the enviromental impact.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by coolman

If your talking about antifreeze, that wouldn't do very well in a combustion chamber, plus think of the enviromental impact.

I could care less about the environmental impact. but you could easily run methanol/water mix just fine in there

[coolman]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

I could care less about the environmental impact. but you could easily run methanol/water mix just fine in there

Methanol burns and it's boing point is alot lower then water 148deg f.
This is the shit they run in race cars. I don't think the inventer intended to blow up his invention. I'm a 25 year refrigeration man, I know all about the boiling points of fluids. I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.

[Milk 1027]

ummmm... what troll?

[Mindz]

hrmmmm?

Nice necro spike.

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by coolman

Methanol burns and it's boing point is alot lower then water 148deg f.
This is the shit they run in race cars. I don't think the inventer intended to blow up his invention. I'm a 25 year refrigeration man, I know all about the boiling points of fluids. I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.

Look at his post count and yours and re-evaluate that statement. Just because he may not know as much about a particular thing than you do doesn't make him a troll. The exchange of ideas is the point of forums, try contributing.
[/soapbox]

I think that's a cool deal. When not have it run on just gas during the heating period and have a separate section that turns on once optimal temperature is reached. Also I'm sure chemists out there can come up with some crazy liquid that'll serve that purpose.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by coolman

Methanol burns and it's boing point is alot lower then water 148deg f.
This is the shit they run in race cars. I don't think the inventer intended to blow up his invention. I'm a 25 year refrigeration man, I know all about the boiling points of fluids. I'm going to stop feeding the troll now.

I'm fully aware that methanol burns. its been used in more than race cars. on top of its burning properties, it also cools an air intake charge. or have you never heard of methanol injection? commonly used in boosted applications and even in some N/A applications (that arent full blown race cars). part of the diesel and otto process involves blowing up fuel and air... or did you forget the basics of internal combustion engines?


boiling point isnt the topic of the discussion, the freezing point is.
or did you mean something else by this comment?

Love to see how that's going to work in the winter.

and the "200lbs of water" is a far stretch.
the amount of water needed to be sprayed into the comb chamber to cool it down is not much. granted, if you are on a 2000mile cruise accross the country, then yes, you will be refilling about every other fuel stop.



and the troll comment. thats just funny.

Originally Posted by Mindz

hrmmmm?

Nice necro spike.

thanks. its a worthy topic of discussion as its a new look on things, tho some people just cant get their minds out of their own heads to look at all aspects before criticizing.

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

Look at his post count and yours and re-evaluate that statement. Just because he may not know as much about a particular thing than you do doesn't make him a troll. The exchange of ideas is the point of forums, try contributing.
[/soapbox]

I think that's a cool deal. When not have it run on just gas during the heating period and have a separate section that turns on once optimal temperature is reached. Also I'm sure chemists out there can come up with some crazy liquid that'll serve that purpose.

its not just the post count... its also the time I've been here... and the date I originally posted the thread.

and the setup is designed so that the water isnt even injected till the engine reaches 400*F which is around 200* C.