2015 Mustang Power Plant Rumors

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Stew

They are both going to new platforms, how can one have ANY advantage over the other?

The Alpha platform won't be new. And GM has other tech, like MRC. But keep believing that Ford's going to outshine everybody because of their badge.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by trademaster

The LS1 was a grenade in a knife fight. To give credit where it is due though, the 03-04 Cobra was a bazooka.

For power #s I would expect the Camaro and Mustang to be within 10-15hp of each other. Chevrolet will have the benefit of launching the next generation slightly later, or so it seems. I expect whoever is topped will come out with an update soon after to match or get close.

Yeah that's why I added (Z28vsGT). I know the cobra was faster and by all means it should be with 390hp(wink wink) vs roughly 330-350hp ls1.

[Fiveg56]

The 2014 Mustang V6 with the Performance Pack can be had for about 25k…and for 23k with a $2000 rebate available until 7/8/13….that makes it the best performance bargain on the market…0-60 in 5.1 seconds for 23k!

As for its Camaro counterpart….with no performance package available…the Mustang kills it.

[cbass]

I don't think this is right. The 1LE and ZL1 versions out-handle the Mustang with their track biased setups, but the regular SS and LT were way off from the Mustang in the handling department. The Mustang V6 and GT produced more lateral-g by a fairly healthy margin over the V6 and SS Camaro. It is also better balanced, with the V6 and SS Camaros suffering rather severe understeer.

That was true when the 2011 mustangs came out with the coyote, but the camaro received a revised suspension in 2012 right after. The hot wheels version of the ss tested recently with 21" wheels performed much better than the early SS. That and every test I have seen tested a mustang GT equipped with a track pack vs the SS that had none at the time.

I believe a SS now is on pace if not out handles a GT.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I think this chart that floated around a year or so back pretty much tells the story.

I almost got banned for posting this before......LOL....For real.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Yeah, it says Mustang drivers can't compare cars without being douchebags. And you confirmed it. Well done.

You must have missed the part where I said that my 12 mustang was a POS because of the transmission. I am also no longer a mustang driver. Although the little comment at the bottom of the chart was a bit over the top, the chart itself should show that any ZL1 owner who thinks they can head out to the track and beat a 13-500 just because it has turns may get a rude awakening. That being said I would choose the ZL1 automatic over the 500 if I were to purchase, as I have said in many of my posts.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

I never said the camaro was produced during those years just that the mustang was still slower then a 02 even with all those years to improve.

I didn't know the s550 was the chassis honestly I thought it was going to be a model/trim my bad. Even though my point still stands the alpha chassis is already in production so GM should have it sorted out by the time the new camaro comes around, I HOPE.

LOL, Terminator........... One thing you can count on, the Alpha underneath the Camaro with be different enough that it will pose it's problems compared with ATS/CTS, don't both of those use some different (read expensive) materials to lose some of their weight?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

The Alpha platform won't be new. And GM has other tech, like MRC. But keep believing that Ford's going to outshine everybody because of their badge.

See above and I guarantee you will not see MRC on anything but the top model such as now. And you think I think Ford is going to outshine everyone because of the badge? LOLOL. I think everyone here knows if I have a bias, it is CERTAINLY not Ford................ you are the one who is stating your bias because of the badge, the Camaro badge.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Deki

I'm thinking the LT1 is going to be rated at 475, at least in the C7. Might be at 460 in the Camaro, if not 470-75.

I think both will be around 450 or so. GM has focused on torque with the LT1, not horsepower (which again, is a good thing). I also don't see DI adding that significantly to the Mustangs number either. I suspect they'll try to leverage that more for torque and efficiency than top end power, too, given the regs and everything else they have to put up with.

Originally Posted by Deki

It wasn't under rated, as it was certified by SAE for the 412hp rating, it's just that you lose less power to the wheels by going through a live rear compared to an IRS.

That's part of it, but even with a live axle, I find it hard to believe any drivetrain is so efficient that it only loses 10-11% flywheel to wheels. Keep in mind that GM engines are SAE certified (and thus more precise), while Ford engines are rated under SAE net, leaving more room for "approximations."

Originally Posted by cbass

That was true when the 2011 mustangs came out with the coyote, but the camaro received a revised suspension in 2012 right after. The hot wheels version of the ss tested recently with 21" wheels performed much better than the early SS. That and every test I have seen tested a mustang GT equipped with a track pack vs the SS that had none at the time.

I believe a SS now is on pace if not out handles a GT.

I still suspect the Mustang would have a small edge numbers-wise, and pretty confident it would still have an edge in the subjective feel category given its smaller feeling nature and better steering. Remember, a stock GT ran dead even with a BMW M3 at the track. I don't think the non-1LE Camaro SS could quite pull that off.

Granted, the last Camaro I drove was a 2011. It would be interesting to see a head-to-head comparison between them today, but as far as I know, no one has done it, because once a car has been out for a year, the automotive media stops caring.

Originally Posted by newmoon

You must have missed the part where I said that my 12 mustang was a POS because of the transmission. I am also no longer a mustang driver. Although the little comment at the bottom of the chart was a bit over the top, the chart itself should show that any ZL1 owner who thinks they can head out to the track and beat a 13-500 just because it has turns may get a rude awakening. That being said I would choose the ZL1 automatic over the 500 if I were to purchase, as I have said in many of my posts.

on the Chinese transmission. I love my car and the way it feels and handles, but Ford really dropped the ball with the MT82. For 2015, they shouldn't just make changes to it, they should scrap it all together and start over from scratch...and build it in NA this time.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Fiveg56

The 2014 Mustang V6 with the Performance Pack can be had for about 25k…and for 23k with a $2000 rebate available until 7/8/13….that makes it the best performance bargain on the market…0-60 in 5.1 seconds for 23k!

As for its Camaro counterpart….with no performance package available…the Mustang kills it.

The mustangs do cost less. I have priced them several times and they have been several thousands cheaper. Ford allows their dealers to make more off the cars than Chevrolet and invoice is lower than on a camaro. MSRP is lower. Then to top it off Ford has offered some steep incentives on the mustangs which GM has not.

I do think GM, however, has used higher quality components in certain areas though.

[cbass]

From another trend. The 21" wheels (probably hurt it more than helped it) hot wheels car did better in handling than the SS before:

The Hot Wheels Camaro compares favorably in handling performance with the two previously tested Camaro SS models (with 20-inch wheels), which posted 0.88 g and 0.92 g on the skidpad and 25.8 seconds at 0.80 g average and 25.2 seconds at 0.73 g average, respectively. Sixty-to-zero braking came in 112 feet and 118 feet. A Camaro SS 1LE we tested posted 1.03 g and 24.2 seconds at 0.83 g average around the skidpad and figure eight. The 1LE stopped from 60 mph in 101 feet.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...on_first_test/

[LOWDOWN]

Can Ford produce a DI n/a Coyote 5.0 with 475 hp? No doubt.

Will a 475 hp Coyote be housed in every '15+ Mustang GT? Not a chance...

First of all, it won't fit within the CAFE equation (in GT volumes). Second, it will price the car into the stratosphere.

Expect 475-500 hp in special low-volume, high-dollar versions...like Shelby/BOSS-like versions, NOT everyday-in-every-way "average Joe 'n Jane" version GTs... It's already been disclosed that the 5.8 doesn't fit the newbie...

BTW, I do NOT expect the LT1 to be the "standard" SS engine, either...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

I almost got banned for posting this before......LOL....For real.

Looking for lightning (non-Ford form) to strike twice?!

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You must have missed the part where I said that my 12 mustang was a POS because of the transmission. I am also no longer a mustang driver. Although the little comment at the bottom of the chart was a bit over the top, the chart itself should show that any ZL1 owner who thinks they can head out to the track and beat a 13-500 just because it has turns may get a rude awakening. That being said I would choose the ZL1 automatic over the 500 if I were to purchase, as I have said in many of my posts.

We're talking Camaros and Mustangs, not just ZL1 vs GT500.

And FYI, that chart measures quickness (which the GT500 has in spades over the ZL1) 11 times, but handling measurements not so much. It's obviously biased towards quarter mile performance. And giving credit where it's due, if you are in love with the quarter mile, you can't go wrong with a GT500. It's not the only way to measure a car's performance though, which Ford fans never admit.

Personally, I probably wouldn't get a ZL1 even if I had the cash to spend (probably go with a CTS-V instead). I think the 1LE is the best bang for the buck, but I'd like to see what the Z28 will do and cost also. I think the current crop of Mustangs have great quickness, but are harder to live with as a daily driver than their Camaro equivalents. Conversely, I'd rate the Challengers as probably the best DD cars (especially for long drives), but with the worst performance overall. I see the Camaros as being the best combination of both.

Handling-wise though, outside of the 2-year run of the Boss, it's only been Chevy who's taken it seriously enough to develop it into their cars. That's going to give them a leg up on the next gen, IMO.