2015 Mustang Power Plant Rumors

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Stew

They are both going to new platforms, how can one have ANY advantage over the other?

Not to get in the middle of the sand throwing but if the new camaro is going on the alpha platform then GM will/should have the advantage since its already in production. I don't think that ford has said what platform the mustang will be on so that technically it makes them "behind" but I'm sure it won't matter to much when the car is built seeing how awesome the current 5.0 is minus the tranny issues.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Hopefully the camaro can regain its crown for the fastest pony car like it had back in 93,94,95,96,97,98,99,00,01,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09 and 2010.(Z28vsGT)

Yeah those 03 to 09 Camaros were awesome

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Not to get in the middle of the sand throwing but if the new camaro is going on the alpha platform then GM will/should have the advantage since its already in production. I don't think that ford has said what platform the mustang will be on so that technically it makes them "behind" but I'm sure it won't matter to much when the car is built seeing how awesome the current 5.0 is minus the tranny issues.

They already announced a dedicated platform for the Mustang called the S550.

[sspolo]

Let me start off by saying that I don't really know if a liter does anything to add power, but I would think it does. So by my logic, a V8 6.1 engine would generate A LOT more power than a V8 5.0 engine. But then again, I don't know much about engines....

[Deki]

Originally Posted by sspolo

Let me start off by saying that I don't really know if a liter does anything to add power, but I would think it does. So by my logic, a V8 6.1 engine would generate A LOT more power than a V8 5.0 engine. But then again, I don't know much about engines....

Displacement doesn't matter as much anymore as much as the technology that goes into it. It's just two different ways of accomplishing the same end result. The 5.0 is "smaller" in displacement, but the fact that it has dual over head cams allows it make similar power to the LS series of engines with slightly higher displacement. The LS engines, due to being over head valve design/push rod, typically make better low end torque, are easier to work on, and while having larger displacement are packaged a lot easier due to being dimensionally smaller then the DOHC Ford engines, which are very wide by design. The LS engines also weigh a bit less then the Ford MOD motors. Both have their pros and cons, both have a great after market, and both are very efficient and very reliable. The LS series, while being an "older" push rod design, is quite advanced, and even more so with the upcoming LT1 engine and all the tech that is packed into it.

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

That 450 LT1 "estimate" better be a lie, otherwise the Camaro is ******.

Im pretty sure a lot of GM fans will be disapointed...I guess 456hp max. No way a 450hp estimated is gonna end up in a 480hp final numbers.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Deki

Yeah those 03 to 09 Camaros were awesome



They already announced a dedicated platform for the Mustang called the S550.

I never said the camaro was produced during those years just that the mustang was still slower then a 02 even with all those years to improve.

I didn't know the s550 was the chassis honestly I thought it was going to be a model/trim my bad. Even though my point still stands the alpha chassis is already in production so GM should have it sorted out by the time the new camaro comes around, I HOPE.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Deki

Displacement doesn't matter as much anymore as much as the technology that goes into it. It's just two different ways of accomplishing the same end result. The 5.0 is "smaller" in displacement, but the fact that it has dual over head cams allows it make similar power to the LS series of engines with slightly higher displacement. The LS engines, due to being over head valve design/push rod, typically make better low end torque, are easier to work on, and while having larger displacement are packaged a lot easier due to being dimensionally smaller then the DOHC Ford engines, which are very wide by design. The LS engines also weigh a bit less then the Ford MOD motors. Both have their pros and cons, both have a great after market, and both are very efficient and very reliable. The LS series, while being an "older" push rod design, is quite advanced, and even more so with the upcoming LT1 engine and all the tech that is packed into it.

Well said sir.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Im pretty sure a lot of GM fans will be disapointed...I guess 456hp max. No way a 450hp estimated is gonna end up in a 480hp final numbers.

It has to. Plus, Ford would be gaining 50hp with DI where GM would only be getting 20hp with DI. That doesn't make any sense, so I think GM low-balled the numbers.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Im pretty sure a lot of GM fans will be disapointed...I guess 456hp max. No way a 450hp estimated is gonna end up in a 480hp final numbers.

Why not? The ZL1 was estimated to be 550 hp and came out with 580 hp.

[fielderLS3]

475 hp would be awesome if they can get there. Direct injection is definitely coming in 2015. (It should have come in 2011...all the engineering work was already done back then). It is also generally believed that the 412hp rating in 2011 was on the conservative side as well, as stock 5.0s typically put down around 365-370 rwhp.

To be honest, though, I'd rather have them go the route Chevy did with the LT1, and focus more on gaining lower-end torque than on their top end horsepower number.

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

They didn't beat the Camaro with the straight axle, actually. But that's besides the point anyway. The Camaro out-handled the Mustang in almost all iterations, but the Mustang would sometimes come out ahead because of either weight or (in the case of the GT500) power advantage. The weight advantage is going away. So now Ford has to come up with a new chassis and IRS and dial them both in.

I don't think this is right. The 1LE and ZL1 versions out-handle the Mustang with their track biased setups, but the regular SS and LT were way off from the Mustang in the handling department. The Mustang V6 and GT produced more lateral-g by a fairly healthy margin over the V6 and SS Camaro. It is also better balanced, with the V6 and SS Camaros suffering rather severe understeer.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

475 hp would be awesome if they can get there. Direct injection is definitely coming in 2015. (It should have come in 2011...all the engineering work was already done back then). It is also generally believed that the 412hp rating in 2011 was on the conservative side as well, as stock 5.0s typically put down around 365-370 rwhp.

To be honest, though, I'd rather have them go the route Chevy did with the LT1, and focus more on gaining lower-end torque than on their top end horsepower number.



I don't think this is right. The 1LE and ZL1 versions out-handle the Mustang with their track biased setups, but the regular SS and LT were way off from the Mustang in the handling department. The Mustang V6 and GT produced more lateral-g by a fairly healthy margin over the V6 and SS Camaro. It is also better balanced, with the V6 and SS Camaros suffering rather severe understeer.

This. The GT and V6 sadly out handle their Camaro counterparts. Hopefully GM learned their lesson.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

Im pretty sure a lot of GM fans will be disapointed...I guess 456hp max. No way a 450hp estimated is gonna end up in a 480hp final numbers.

I'm thinking the LT1 is going to be rated at 475, at least in the C7. Might be at 460 in the Camaro, if not 470-75.

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

I never said the camaro was produced during those years just that the mustang was still slower then a 02 even with all those years to improve.

I didn't know the s550 was the chassis honestly I thought it was going to be a model/trim my bad. Even though my point still stands the alpha chassis is already in production so GM should have it sorted out by the time the new camaro comes around, I HOPE.

I was just giving you shit But the Mustang survived because it was honestly a better car. I know, I had a 4th gen...but even with all of it's short comings it was still the one I bought because it had an LS1 lol

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

475 hp would be awesome if they can get there. Direct injection is definitely coming in 2015. (It should have come in 2011...all the engineering work was already done back then). It is also generally believed that the 412hp rating in 2011 was on the conservative side as well, as stock 5.0s typically put down around 365-370 rwhp.

To be honest, though, I'd rather have them go the route Chevy did with the LT1, and focus more on gaining lower-end torque than on their top end horsepower number.



I don't think this is right. The 1LE and ZL1 versions out-handle the Mustang with their track biased setups, but the regular SS and LT were way off from the Mustang in the handling department. The Mustang V6 and GT produced more lateral-g by a fairly healthy margin over the V6 and SS Camaro. It is also better balanced, with the V6 and SS Camaros suffering rather severe understeer.

It wasn't under rated, as it was certified by SAE for the 412hp rating, it's just that you lose less power to the wheels by going through a live rear compared to an IRS. Also, the Mustangs in all trims used to be better handlers then the SS/V6 Camaros, but even the pre-FE4 Camaro wasn't far off the Mustang's pace. I wonder why nobody has tested an FE4 Camaro against a 13 or 14 GT. That would be a good review to see, both in street driving and on the track. Sadly, since 2011, and even with all the improvements Ford has done to the platform, factory Mustangs are still under shocked and under sprung.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

I never said the camaro was produced during those years just that the mustang was still slower then a 02 even with all those years to improve.

The LS1 was a grenade in a knife fight. To give credit where it is due though, the 03-04 Cobra was a bazooka.

For power #s I would expect the Camaro and Mustang to be within 10-15hp of each other. Chevrolet will have the benefit of launching the next generation slightly later, or so it seems. I expect whoever is topped will come out with an update soon after to match or get close.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I think this chart that floated around a year or so back pretty much tells the story.

Yeah, it says Mustang drivers can't compare cars without being douchebags. And you confirmed it. Well done.