Two Explosions at Boston Marathon Finish Line

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Part of being treated like a citizen is that you have the right to refuse a search... Which gets us back to what was originally being questioned...

yeah, if this was a simple search, but it wasn't. And I don't know of anyone that wanted to refuse a search, in any reports. if we can find an article or interview of someone wanting to refuse a search, and that not be granted, we may have a good discussion to go on. even though the officer also has their right to search without a warrant, per the 4th amendment and the exigent circumstance, in this case. I don't think law enforcement can throw out the exigent circumstance every single time they want to search a house. I mean, I guess they could, but probably wouldn't have a job for long.

[PIPE]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

yeah, if this was a simple search, but it wasn't. And I don't know of anyone that wanted to refuse a search, in any reports. if we can find an article or interview of someone wanting to refuse a search, and that not be granted, we may have a good discussion to go on. even though the officer also has their right to search without a warrant, per the 4th amendment and the exigent circumstance, in this case. I don't think law enforcement can throw out the exigent circumstance every single time they want to search a house. I mean, I guess they could, but probably wouldn't have a job for long.

Id pull back that 4th amendment statement cause NOTHING in the 4th does it say they can search without a warrant. That would be under the patriot act or HDA

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by PIPE

Id pull back that 4th amendment statement cause NOTHING in the 4th does it say they can search without a warrant. That would be under the patriot act or HDA

well ok, it's not actually in the text of the actual 4th amendment, but there are exceptions to the amendment, that they have the right to pursue, if they feel it's necessary.

this wasn't military/government officials that were entering the houses, were they? weren't they local PD?

[thespymaster]

Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ

I wonder how many folks in here believe this was a Gov run operation, also believe 9/11 was an inside job...

Sent from my Transformer

I do not believe period this was a government operation period....

I do believe and the facts are UN-DISPUTED, they had a "CRAFT" along with other WMD search teams in the crowd, the threat was REAL, why not just shut the event down.

No denying "CRAFT" team was about 50-60 ft from where 1st bomb went off, then they "CRAFT" disappear from scene after it went off!

[trewyn15]

Are people born stupid or do they grow into it?



Yeah, this was all a big act.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

yeah, if this was a simple search, but it wasn't. And I don't know of anyone that wanted to refuse a search, in any reports. if we can find an article or interview of someone wanting to refuse a search, and that not be granted, we may have a good discussion to go on. even though the officer also has their right to search without a warrant, per the 4th amendment and the exigent circumstance, in this case. I don't think law enforcement can throw out the exigent circumstance every single time they want to search a house. I mean, I guess they could, but probably wouldn't have a job for long.

My point here is that there's obviously a vagueness in case law pertaining to the Fourth Amendment when it comes to these extreme situations that needs to be addressed.

I don't want to see the bad guy get away, but at the same time, I don't want to have my Rights trampled on, either.

I want the officers to be as safe as possible when dealing with these kinds of situations, but I also want to make sure they have a very clearcut understanding of what they can and cannot do in these extreme situations.

I don't think any of the officers in the video should be punished in any way. Far from it. I just want them to review their actions to find out if there's any line they could possibly have crossed on accident and then update their SOP guidelines to take this kind of situation into account.

That's all I'm hoping for.

[PIPE]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

well ok, it's not actually in the text of the actual 4th amendment, but there are exceptions to the amendment, that they have the right to pursue, if they feel it's necessary.

this wasn't military/government officials that were entering the houses, were they? weren't they local PD?

Yes, If they have a warrant.

Word for Word Quote:


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,papers,and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Constitution of the United States
Amendment IV
December 15, 1791

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

I think they were still treated as citizens. they weren't cuffed and thrown to the ground. after the initial guy walked out of the house, it seemed pretty civil.

I am curious on what will happen to the guy that was stripped naked, and the money he will get for suing the police department. lol

He will get a pardon from the mayor and some money and life goes on. It looks like a lawsuit waiting to happen. But, when your doing a F.B.I. manhunt and city is on lockdown and you've lost over a billion dollars for Boston clocks ticking and shit happens.

[ChrisBlair]

I seriously doubt there are any charges to be dropped.

Guys, I say CamaroSkooter is right to be unhappy. This bombing thing is not the first instance of this type of thing either. Example: for years now, mayors etc have been giving power to Police Chiefs to do certain things that constitutionally and legally they have no authority to do. They have the power to do them now, and power and authority aren't the same.

He should be afraid of just how far we're going and you should too. I don't want my god-daughter growing up in a USA were it's normal to be treated like a criminal until proven innocent, and we're on that path now. Small steps yes I agree, hardly left the main road yes. But still the same path.

It's OK and right for a US citizen to say : hey cops and government. Thanks for apprehending this monster. But maybe we can agree that we can do this thing better next time. Here's what I don't like about how we had to handle it this time, and I need you to listen, because we're forming tomorrow's USA today, you and me.

And maybe we'll find there is no better way. Maybe we're in a place from where we can't escape it, because of how screwy the world is now and we'll just have to deal. But I feel it's a huge mistake to just say "OK, do whatever its cool". It will be cool until its not, and will it be too late? Nobody can know, so I say it's right to ask the questions now: can we do this better, and how.

[Renegade]

Always room for improvements..the police had no clue where he was until tips was called in.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Always room for improvements..the police had no clue where he was until tips was called in.

Which is odd. It seems a child playing hide n seek would have been able to find him

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Which is odd. It seems a child playing hide n seek would have been able to find him

Even Splinter Cells (night vision) goggles couldn't find him. Luckily we still got good people left in this crazy world.

[ChrisBlair]

Yeah but he was just hiding in a boat, lol.

[Renegade]

That has to be the world's dumbest getaway..move. I can't wait for the movie to see how hollywood tweaks it.