Yay! GM to introduce 2 new pickups while ford makes only one.

[Captain Awesome]

...and the ford will cost an extra $1500 to produce, will be harder to repair, and be less rugged!!!!

Thank you oh great masterminds for "fixing" trucks too!

http://www.4-traders.com/FORD-MOTOR-...eage-14434300/

[Silverlsinva]

hmmn looks like the smaller truck they are talking about is the New redesigned Colorado pickup. Doesnt seem like that new news.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by Silverlsinva

hmmn looks like the smaller truck they are talking about is the New redesigned Colorado pickup. Doesnt seem like that new news.

You may be right, but the timeline in the article says the smaller truck will be coming 2 years following the new truck. Current thinking has placed the release of the new Colorado in 2014 as a 2015 model. If the new Silverado comes out in 2013 as a 2014 model, then the news we can extrapolate is that the Colorado is coming later than expected.

The REAL big news in the article is how much extra lightening the F-150 is going to cost the manufacturers and be passed on to buyers for no real reason.

[camaro-dreamer]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

The REAL big news in the article is how much extra lightening the F-150 is going to cost the manufacturers and be passed on to buyers for no real reason.

The real reason is fuel economy. The standards were set by the Obama administration. Automakers have to adapt. If you do not like such standards, get out and vote your opposition!

[PalmerGA]

Chevy just needs to accept the fact that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle (of any kind) in America, and settle for #2. That's not going to change and the smaller pickup market (what there is of it) belongs to Toyota Tacoma a "new" smaller truck from Chevy is a waste of time and money.

[yzrider58]

Originally Posted by camaro-dreamer

The real reason is fuel economy. The standards were set by the Obama administration. Automakers have to adapt. If you do not like such standards, get out and vote your opposition!

Those ratings of 50+ mpg fleetwide average is insane. Prepare for vehicle performance like its 1984.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Chevy just needs to accept the fact that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle (of any kind) in America, and settle for #2. That's not going to change and the smaller pickup market (what there is of it) belongs to Toyota Tacoma a "new" smaller truck from Chevy is a waste of time and money.

So they should just stop trying? That's absolutely ridiculous.

If GM followed that logic, they should discontinue the Malibu, because the Camry is the top selling midsize. They should discontinue the Cruze, because the Corolla is the top selling compact.

Hell, they should have discontinued Camaro for good long ago in that case. Just a waste of time and money, right?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Chevy just needs to accept the fact that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle (of any kind) in America, and settle for #2. That's not going to change and the smaller pickup market (what there is of it) belongs to Toyota Tacoma a "new" smaller truck from Chevy is a waste of time and money.

Right now the F150 is more hype than truck. That Ecoboost engine is their main draw. While providing the same power as a V8 but just marginally better fuel economy ( I think 1mpg last I saw) at a cost of over $1,500 more than the V8. It's mostly perception. Most independent tests prove Chevy makes the better TRUCK, it's just Ford has a better marketing department.

I think though if you compare Ford with GM, GM probably sells more trucks.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

So they should just stop trying? That's absolutely ridiculous.

If GM followed that logic, they should discontinue the Malibu, because the Camry is the top selling midsize. They should discontinue the Cruze, because the Corolla is the top selling compact.

Hell, they should have discontinued Camaro for good long ago in that case. Just a waste of time and money, right?

I always hear that the F-150 outsells the Silverado and the Sierrra but those are essentially the same truck their combined sales surpass the F-150 by a lot. It depends on how you compare them.

[JJ#48Racing]

Originally Posted by PalmerGA

Chevy just needs to accept the fact that the F-150 is the best selling vehicle (of any kind) in America, and settle for #2. That's not going to change and the smaller pickup market (what there is of it) belongs to Toyota Tacoma a "new" smaller truck from Chevy is a waste of time and money.

GM shouldn't settle to be #2 in any market it participates in. And I may be the only one, but I'm much more interested in a new Colorado than a new Silverado. I don't need a full size truck.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

I always hear that the F-150 outsells the Silverado and the Sierrra but those are essentially the same truck their combined sales surpass the F-150 by a lot. It depends on how you compare them.

I believe right now the F-series outsells the GMT-900s. But in the past, GM full size trucks as a whole have outsold the F-series many times.

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by JJ#48Racing

GM shouldn't settle to be #2 in any market it participates in. And I may be the only one, but I'm much more interested in a new Colorado than a new Silverado. I don't need a full size truck.

This is where I see a lot of contention. There are a lot of voices out there who dump on the Colorado and any possible derivitives because they say that other GM vehicles will suit your needs.

If you need something that can tow or navigate snow and unfinished roads, you will have to get one of the full size vehicles.

If you need something that you commute with, you get a car or a crossover.

If you need to do both haul AND commute, then you are defective and need to be bashed because you can't have the best of both words and you need to shut up and make due with what is offered.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Hell, they should have discontinued Camaro for good long ago in that case. Just a waste of time and money, right?

They did discontinue the Camaro though, so that is a horrible analogy IMHO. If you had have said bringing back the Camaro would have been a waste then it might have made sense. Of course you know why Chevy discontinued the Camaro or at least we have an idea of why….

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Right now the F150 is more hype than truck. That Ecoboost engine is their main draw. While providing the same power as a V8 but just marginally better fuel economy ( I think 1mpg last I saw) at a cost of over $1,500 more than the V8. It's mostly perception. Most independent tests prove Chevy makes the better TRUCK, it's just Ford has a better marketing department.

Hype sells, just look at the Camaro. Three Transformers movies that it was basically the star of. Kid's want the car because it's bumblebee, teenagers want the car because of Megan Fox, Old guy's want the car because of nostalgia… and because they are perverts that want Megan Fox as well :P.

But if you look at it Ford has made much more drastic improvements that Chevy has just followed up on to say me too, not that Ford hasn't.

Ford Releases Shelby GT500 in 2007, Track Pack and Aluminium Engine added in 2011 > 5 Years Later Chevy Releases ZL1 Camaro
Chevy Releases Camaro SS with 426/400 Horsepower > Ford Releases New 5.0 Mustang and Improved Body Style and Interior
Ford Releases Boss 302 and Boss 302 Laguna Seca in 2011 − 2012 Chevy Releases the 1LE Handling Package for the SS Camaro

This isn't to start a war as I love both my cars but I'm saying Chevy needs to think ahead and one up Ford and not just release a competitor but a competitor Ford will have to Follow up to. Create a something that starts the market not follows it...

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

They did discontinue the Camaro though, so that is a horrible analogy IMHO. If you had have said bringing back the Camaro would have been a waste then it might have made sense. Of course you know why Chevy discontinued the Camaro or at least we have an idea of why….

Notice how I said "discontinued Camaro FOR GOOD." As in when GM canceled it in 2002, they should have never brought it back. The Mustang was the clear-cut winner in the market in terms of sales.