2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[Virus]

Fix or repair daily.

[VTXFrank]

Originally Posted by SleepWarz

Every time somebody brings up fuel economy in these discussions I cant stop laughing. I'm certian that FE is at the top of the ZL1/GT500 crosshopper list.
Only thing over the ZL1 the gt500 has going for it is its faster with its newer motor. Thats it. The MRS is so good its in an entirely different league for ease of use and performance/comfort. And even after that you have to deal with the not so good exhaust note out of the 5.8. Abit better of a SC whine though.

While I firmly believe that anyone concerned with FE should not own a muscle car, there are reasons the manufacturers ARE concerned about FE, even on their HiPo cars like the ZL1 and GT500. It's due to CAFE regs and the absolutely ignorant and stupid things Obama has done with the newest CAFE regs that make them concerned about it. Even though the ZL1 and GT500 will not be sold in numbers great enough to really impact the overall manufacturers CAFE ratings, they still have to make other cars get even better FE to keep their ratings high enough to meet CAFE regs.

You can bet your ass that GM is working hard to figure out a way to get more HP AND better fuel economy out of the ZL1. That GG tax is a tough selling point. Not that it will matter to those who prefer the ZL1 over anything else though.

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Wow i feel really bad for the Shelby guys that run into a ZL1 at a redlight and gets called out to the nearest parking lot with cones. Gotta be the worst feeling in the world to have a PONY car that cant out turn its rival. Sure the Shelby guys are gonna lose a TON of sleep over that. (lol)

Oh, uh, yeah. Because SO many times when I've smoked another car on the street, at the next intersection the guy says, "Hey....there's a cone setup in a parking lot just down the road. Let's go there and see what cha got on a timed course!" or, "OK, ya beat me running down the road. Now let's make a 1,000 mile trip to the Dragon and see if you can keep up with me there."

Originally Posted by zero

SIMULATIONS were done over and over by A.O and the camaro team. come on man , are you living under a rock jk

A.O. also said that with their simulations, the ZL1 will handily beat the GT500 to 60mph too.

I think I've made myself very clear in that I greatly respect both the ZL1 and the GT500 for what they are.

Each car has its strengths and anyone can go out there and say, "The ZL1 is the winner because it corners better!" or, "The GT500 is the King because it's faster in the 1/4 and only a little behind the ZL1 in cornering!"

With very little investment, you can make either car perform as well as the other. I will say this though. The suspension on the GT500 will be easier to modify for performance on road courses than that of the ZL1. On the GT500, some lowering springs, LCA's and better struts/shocks along with a better set of shoes is going to bring the heat on the ZL1. I don't know what the aftermarket is doing for the ZL1 suspension wise though, so if someone could educate me a bit on that, I'd appreciate it.

It's an AWESOME time to be a Muscle Car Enthusiast! I have my reasons for preferring the Mustang, but I can sure respect the ZL1!

[tt335ci03cobra]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Speaking of all the trash-talk going on, who made the following quote?

"Whatever the competition comes out with, we're going to kick the hell out of them".

Now that the official period of mourning is over, this matter-of-fact statement was made, last year, by the late-great Carroll Shelby, surrounded by smiling SVT engineers.

Thanks to tooslow for "reminding" me.

Let a legendary, innovative, now deceased octogenarian rest in peace dude. You're taking his claim out of context as it clearly reffered to a 200mph car that is $55k, not $255k. They go straight into talking about it being an affordable 200mph car that a blue collar guy could seek to afford. Tasteless play call on your part, you're post remind me of the liberal media that hugs and cradles Obama tooth and nail through manipulating every bit of info about his opponents in a seedy derogatory way that quickly backfires on them.

You guys got mr and awesome easy handling, ford guys got easy 9's with bolt ons and a 200mph car. The man has passed and brought far more to the automotive world than that tasteless post you just did. And he made good on that claim. The competition needs at least $110k to sell you a 200mph car right now. That's literally twice the price.

A sole month of respect is a slap in the face. Did people just start laying into Di Vinci right after his death? Surely but it was also tasteless.

Don't make Carrol Shelby out to be as incendiary and brass as al o. They are different league's of car guy. One can walk his talk with the likes of having brought us the gt500, Daytona, cobra roadster, gt40, glhs, series 1, etc etc etc and moved a racing generation forward through his own hard work and merrit, another has .... I'll be nice and just say he's outspoken his product.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by tt335ci03cobra

Let a legendary, innovative, now deceased octogenarian rest in peace dude. You're taking his claim out of context as it clearly reffered to a 200mph car that is $55k, not $255k. They go straight into talking about it being an affordable 200mph car that a blue collar guy could seek to afford. Tasteless play call on your part, you're post remind me of the liberal media that hugs and cradles Obama tooth and nail through manipulating every bit of info about his opponents in a seedy derogatory way that quickly backfires on them.

You guys got mr and awesome easy handling, ford guys got easy 9's with bolt ons and a 200mph car. The man has passed and brought far more to the automotive world than that tasteless post you just did. And he made good on that claim. The competition needs at least $110k to sell you a 200mph car right now. That's literally twice the price.

A sole month of respect is a slap in the face. Did people just start laying into Di Vinci right after his death? Surely but it was also tasteless.

Don't make Carrol Shelby out to be as incendiary and brass as al o. They are different league's of car guy. One can walk his talk with the likes of having brought us the gt500, Daytona, cobra roadster, gt40, glhs, series 1, etc etc etc and moved a racing generation forward through his own hard work and merrit, another has .... I'll be nice and just say he's outspoken his product.

Wow...this from the "Sean Hannity of Ford fanboys"...

No one has to make Shelby out to be anything. He did that, all by hisself...with the help of some extremely talented folks, and Ford's/Chrysler's very deep pockets.

Who, besides Ol' Shel, died and annointed YOU the "Rosetta Stone of press releases and other people's comments"?!

In Shelby's accomplishments, you forgot some:

Shelby Dakotas come to mind...another sorry example of Iacocca/Shelby collusion. Along with the Shelby Charger and Daytona, a clearly blatant abuse of the hallowed Cobra Daytona Coupe and NASCAR-inspired '69 Chargers of the same name. But hey, anything for a few buck$...

The Series1? Really?!

GT40? Made by Lola... In '66 and '67, Shelby and his very talented staff oversaw the Le Mans victories. Someone had to save Henry the Deuce from himself. Did they kill Ferrari? Only very briefly.

Le Mans races, as we speak. Ford? MIA...

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Wow...this from the "Sean Hannity of Ford fanboys"...

I don't have to make Shelby out to be anything. He did that, all by hisself...with the help of some extremely talented folks.

Who, besides Ol' Shel, died and annointed YOU the "Rosetta Stone of press releases and other people's comments"?!

In Shelby's accomplishments, you forgot some:

Shelby Dakotas come to mind...another sorry example of Iacocca/Shelby collusion. Along with the Shelby Charger and Daytona, a clearly blatant abuse of the hallowed Cobra Daytona Coupe and NASCAR-inspired '69 Chargers of the same name. But hey, anything for a few buck$...

The Series1? Really?!

GT40? Made by Lola... In '66 and '67, Shelby and his very talented staff oversaw the Le Mans victories. Someone had to save Henry the Deuce from himself. Did they kill Ferrari? Only very briefly.

Le Mans races, as we speak. Ford? MIA...

Interesting to read your thoughts "unplugged"...

[Sax1031]

On the topic of the ZL1.

Here is a GTR vs a ZL1.



Guy raced two ZL1s. One went 12.9 @ 112 and the other 13.0 @ 110.

[big hammer]

oh man those trap speeds are disgusting. i wonder if gm released another car plagued with tuning issues.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by big hammer

oh man those trap speeds are disgusting. i wonder if gm released another car plagued with tuning issues.

Apparently the track is known to be a slower track. Somebody forget to tell the GTR owner that though.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Apparently the track is known to be a slower track. Somebody forget to tell the GTR owner that though.

okay but 110 mph? is it on mount everest or what?

[tt335ci03cobra]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Wow...this from the "Sean Hannity of Ford fanboys"...

No one has to make Shelby out to be anything. He did that, all by hisself...with the help of some extremely talented folks, and Ford's/Chrysler's very deep pockets.

Who, besides Ol' Shel, died and annointed YOU the "Rosetta Stone of press releases and other people's comments"?!

In Shelby's accomplishments, you forgot some:

Shelby Dakotas come to mind...another sorry example of Iacocca/Shelby collusion. Along with the Shelby Charger and Daytona, a clearly blatant abuse of the hallowed Cobra Daytona Coupe and NASCAR-inspired '69 Chargers of the same name. But hey, anything for a few buck$...

The Series1? Really?!

GT40? Made by Lola... In '66 and '67, Shelby and his very talented staff oversaw the Le Mans victories. Someone had to save Henry the Deuce from himself. Did they kill Ferrari? Only very briefly.

Le Mans races, as we speak. Ford? MIA...

Good sir, we're not most cars of the mid 70's and 80's woefully slow and distastefully loud? The king cobra, Pontiac trans am replete with 179hp and a hood decal? Didn't the camaro feature a dismal 157hp motor? Wasn't the mustang firing on four cylinders? V8 stangs had a beastly 135hp right?

I find it odd that you bring up cars that Shelby worked on in this time with bad remarks. The cafe regulated and technologically poor era was actually a time when Shelby had offerings that featured as much as 200hp. Impressive considering the times old chap.


Carrol Shelby clearly implied that the speed and power of the 2013 gt500 was no match for the competition an could rival the likes of $150+,000 cars as it is a blue collar earners car and an American dream. He didn't say it'll beat anything on a road course for $55,000, he implied nothing will touch it speed and power wise for $55,000. How you can draw a conclusion to things opposite to what was stated is beyond me.

Fords svt techs said they are confident that on any track, same day, the gt500 is faster than the zl1. Confidence and 100% fact I will beat you statements are decidedly different. One approach is respectable, the other is too brash and gaudy.


Anyways I digress, ford is no longer competing in le mans... The ford gt currently doesn't compete in American le mans series, all must be a wash...funny, I clearly remember seeing a ford gt racing m3's, 911's, and c6's when I was at the alms event just a year ago here in Utah at Miller Motorsports park. I must have imagined it's melodious v8 screaming out of turn 11 onto the back straight...

Also, no one has titled me the Rosetta stone, nor incumburred me with any distasteful and incendiary comments on this site except you. You likened me to a political extremist when I likened poor distasteful actions to poor distasteful actions that the media operates on. Different things my friend, you personally attacked me. Quit that lest you fall privy to the ban stick you so eagerly wave at ford owners.

In closing, a memo from the lowly peanut gallery you so eagerly seek to rid this site of through provocation, those of us who own fords. Please seek to post in at least the basis of self respecting rhetoric that doesn't end up painting you as misinformed.

[Bhobbs]

Didn't GM release a 11.9 1/4 mile or something?

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Didn't GM release a 11.9 1/4 mile or something?

Yes. GM did. I haven't seen a ZL1 break into the 11s in a magazine review though.

[97SS]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Didn't GM release a 11.9 1/4 mile or something?

Thats what they said in the video, but never what any times shown. I call BS. You would have seen at least 1 ZL1 owner, back this up, if it was in the 11 sec. stock club.

[zero]

don`t forget GM also said the L99 auto was faster than the LS3 just before they were released and we all know that`s fiction