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*GTAHVIT* · 06-13-2012, 02:10 PM

To answer the OP.

We don't always give an explanation for a myriad of reasons. Probably non of which will seem acceptable. But we tend to blow through the clean up of the site... trying to get to as many of the issues we come across as possible. And don't always take the time to give an explanation.

And FWIW. Sometimes the explanation just makes the reaction to closing a thread even worse.

We get second guessed all the time, (not a complaint) and we kinda give up with trying to explain ourselves. Just seems to be less painful for everyone. Admittedly that is our perspective so it may not be perceived that way by others.

In most cases the reason is (to the mods) obvious and we don't take the extra effort to explain it.

To answer some of the other criticism in this thread.

Moving threads is not in an effort to hide things. (Some will probably never believe that). We've gotten a very large number of complaints that the site is hard to search that threads are everywhere and we needed to do some house cleaning.

So in an effort to make it easier to sort through all the information that is posted here, we spend a lot of time merging and moving threads so people who are looking for specific information can find it.

Being a moderator here has pretty much taught me one thing. There is a flip side to every coin... What makes some happy will make others angry...

With a site this size we do our best to make the site useful. Other than obvious rule breaking everything is subjective and hard to be consistent on...

Sometimes it's not black and white.

As far as the specific complaints, I'm not informed on it so I won't comment on it.

But in general... we try to keep things organized.

Don't hesitate to send us PM's asking questions. or report posts/threads that don't seem to be where they belong.

We get a lot of PM's so please bear with us as we may not get back to you right away.

We all have real lives and don't spend every waking hour glued to camaro5.

I know I just gave a very general response. It's not an attempt at deflecting... I'm only trying to give a little insight.

FWIW.

Chris

cb2011rs · 06-13-2012, 02:15 PM

If you post in the wrong section you will get spanked ....

RichGreene · 06-13-2012, 02:29 PM

I'm curious OP, what was the post about ?

*GTAHVIT* · 06-13-2012, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossier City

So mod, please answer our specific question.... Why was my thread closed?

As I said in my post, I don't know, I didn't close it.

But I can tell you this, posting a duplicate thread after the previous one was closed is kinda asking for trouble.

And the Site owner/admin closed your thread, not a moderator.

If anyone gets to do what they want here and not give an explanation it's him.

ParisTNDude · 06-13-2012, 02:45 PM

It really bothers me to read through a thread, long or short, and begin framing my intended comment as I read and then at the end, find it's closed. It would be great if there was some way to identify that the thread is closed at the beginning of the thread. One of the mods said they don't "always" tell you why it was closed, but I think it's more accurate to say they "never" tell you. For the most part, I think the mods do a good job, but sometimes it's pretty aggravating.

PAUL SS · 06-13-2012, 02:50 PM

This hasn't been CLOSED yet?

*GTAHVIT* · 06-13-2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

It really bothers me to read through a thread, long or short, and begin framing my intended comment as I read and then at the end, find it's closed. It would be great if there was some way to identify that the thread is closed at the beginning of the thread. One of the mods said they don't "always" tell you why it was closed, but I think it's more accurate to say they "never" tell you. For the most part, I think the mods do a good job, but sometimes it's pretty aggravating.

Fair point.

Look for this icon next to a thread

it shows that the thread is closed.

Also inside the thread at the top and bottom you see this icon where the "Post Reply" button would normally be.

It's hard to see sometimes and I've done the same thing.

Some have asked us to just delete closed threads. but in most cases there is good information in the thread so we close it so you can still search for it...

This is typical of vendor feed back threads. Usually they get closed when it gets out of hand, but we don't delete them as we want new members to find complaints and not hide them both good and bad.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossier City

For all know it could've been closed on accident. Maybe the forum had a glitch? Lol if no one says what's going on how would I know?

That road goes both ways. you can always ask why... which ultimately you did, albeit after you reposted....

And now you know who closed it. So you can take it up with him.

bhall82 · 06-13-2012, 03:25 PM

And with that this thread is closed.....................

Oh wait nvm I have no special powers.

xx_ED_xx · 06-13-2012, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

This mod goes both ways. you can always ask why... which ultimately you did, albeit after you reposted....

And now you know who closed it. So you can take it up with him.

FIXED

MikeSVX · 06-13-2012, 03:30 PM

GTAHVIT, thank you for your responses.

*GTAHVIT* · 06-13-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhall82

And with that this thread is closed.....................

Oh wait nvm I have no special powers.

at least you gave a reason... kinda... LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSVX

GTAHVIT, thank you for your responses.

You, Sir, are very welcome. I hope it helps at least a little.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xx_ED_xx

FIXED

WTH!!!! I can never find the ban hammer when I need it.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 06-13-2012, 04:21 PM

I'll add to that after a run in with a member who made a lot of sense in our PM discussion over a closed thread... I generally send the OP, (thread originator) a pm as to why the thread was closed, but I'm certainly not going to do that for 20 or thirty members in a particular thread...

If it's questionable why a thread is being closed, I try to make a last post and close it, but often times it's brutally obvious as to why it is being closed...

Language, personal attacks etc... If it isn't obvious to a member then the rules need to be re-read...

As far as my personal ways, if a thread is salvageable, then I'll make the effort... but I'm not going to click on and edit tens or hundreds of posts for the benefit of one or two... If it's that bad, it'll possibly just disappear... rather than just be closed.

Please know also, that when a thread that disappears to you guys, it may still be there but we have moderated until we have time to read it and determine if it's worth saving, or to get another opinion on the value of the thread... If it's worth saving, we may leave it moderated until we finish, and as Chris said, we all have lives away from Camaro5.

Please remember, we have many members that are substantially younger then you might imagine, and we try to maintain this as a family oriented site....

Language, personal attacks etc, will make threads go away quickly...

If someone offends you, report the post and let us handle it...

Please and Thank You

Robert

qkslvr · 06-13-2012, 07:22 PM

I was wondering some of this myself, for instance I put a thread for the Sturgis Camaro Rally at the end of the month up in the general to try and get as much visual on it as possible. ESPECIALLY to those that do not frequent the Mid west section of this forum… We are trying to get cars from around the nation and that's why I put it there.

If I would have wanted it just to go out to the mid west people I would have posted it there in the first place. But wait I already did that too...

I completely understand about cleaning up the site and some thread do need to be closed… but sometimes (IMO) some things should be left alone

***EDIT**** was noticing there is no section for EVENTS….besides CAMARO5 fest in the general area…. I see the events log at the very bottom but honestly today was the first time I have see it LOL. Mods do you think it might be possible to add an events area in General Camaro Forums section

ban coming in 3.2.1….. lol

The Stig · 06-13-2012, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qkslvr

I was wondering some of this myself, for instance I put a thread for the Sturgis Camaro Rally at the end of the month up in the general to try and get as much visual on it as possible. ESPECIALLY to those that do not frequent the Mid west section of this forum… We are trying to get cars from around the nation and that's why I put it there.

If I would have wanted it just to go out to the mid west people I would have posted it there in the first place. But wait I already did that too...

I completely understand about cleaning up the site and some thread do need to be closed… but sometimes (IMO) some things should be left alone

***EDIT**** was noticing there is no section for EVENTS….besides CAMARO5 fest in the general area…. I see the events log at the very bottom but honestly today was the first time I have see it LOL. Mods do you think it might be possible to add an events area in General Camaro Forums section

ban coming in 3.2.1….. lol

One of the options in the navigation bar at the top of every forum page is "Calendar". Any member can create an event and put it on the calendar.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/calendar.php

06-13-2012, 02:10 PM	#15
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	To answer the OP. We don't always give an explanation for a myriad of reasons. Probably non of which will seem acceptable. But we tend to blow through the clean up of the site... trying to get to as many of the issues we come across as possible. And don't always take the time to give an explanation. And FWIW. Sometimes the explanation just makes the reaction to closing a thread even worse. We get second guessed all the time, (not a complaint) and we kinda give up with trying to explain ourselves. Just seems to be less painful for everyone. Admittedly that is our perspective so it may not be perceived that way by others. In most cases the reason is (to the mods) obvious and we don't take the extra effort to explain it. To answer some of the other criticism in this thread. Moving threads is not in an effort to hide things. (Some will probably never believe that). We've gotten a very large number of complaints that the site is hard to search that threads are everywhere and we needed to do some house cleaning. So in an effort to make it easier to sort through all the information that is posted here, we spend a lot of time merging and moving threads so people who are looking for specific information can find it. Being a moderator here has pretty much taught me one thing. There is a flip side to every coin... What makes some happy will make others angry... With a site this size we do our best to make the site useful. Other than obvious rule breaking everything is subjective and hard to be consistent on... Sometimes it's not black and white. As far as the specific complaints, I'm not informed on it so I won't comment on it. But in general... we try to keep things organized. Don't hesitate to send us PM's asking questions. or report posts/threads that don't seem to be where they belong. We get a lot of PM's so please bear with us as we may not get back to you right away. We all have real lives and don't spend every waking hour glued to camaro5. I know I just gave a very general response. It's not an attempt at deflecting... I'm only trying to give a little insight. FWIW. Chris __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

06-13-2012, 02:45 PM	#19
ParisTNDude Owning SSes for 50 Years Drives: Sharkskin Grey LT1 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Paris, TN Posts: 3,139 View My Garage	It really bothers me to read through a thread, long or short, and begin framing my intended comment as I read and then at the end, find it's closed. It would be great if there was some way to identify that the thread is closed at the beginning of the thread. One of the mods said they don't "always" tell you why it was closed, but I think it's more accurate to say they "never" tell you. For the most part, I think the mods do a good job, but sometimes it's pretty aggravating. __________________ The new ride: 2023 Camaro, LT1, Sharkskin Grey Previous Performance Cars: 1966 Chevelle SS 4M, 2010 Corvette 6M 1968 Dodge Charger R/T Auto 2012 1SS 6M 1982 Corvette Auto 2010 1SS 6A 1984 Corvette Auto 2016 2SS 8A 1999 Camaro Auto 2017 HBM 1SS 1le 2002 C5 Corvette 6M 2018 2SS 2006 Corvette Auto 2023 Camaro LT1

06-13-2012, 02:50 PM	#20
PAUL SS The Mark of Excellence Drives: 2010 ABM 1SS RS LS3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Smallest State in the Union Posts: 8,688 View My Garage	This hasn't been CLOSED yet? __________________ BMR, CAI, DynoMax, Elite Eng., Hurst, Jannetty, Clear Image Headers & Hi Flow cats, Jet Hot, LSR, TSW, VMax, Vredestein

06-13-2012, 04:21 PM	#26
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,812	I'll add to that after a run in with a member who made a lot of sense in our PM discussion over a closed thread... I generally send the OP, (thread originator) a pm as to why the thread was closed, but I'm certainly not going to do that for 20 or thirty members in a particular thread... If it's questionable why a thread is being closed, I try to make a last post and close it, but often times it's brutally obvious as to why it is being closed... Language, personal attacks etc... If it isn't obvious to a member then the rules need to be re-read... As far as my personal ways, if a thread is salvageable, then I'll make the effort... but I'm not going to click on and edit tens or hundreds of posts for the benefit of one or two... If it's that bad, it'll possibly just disappear... rather than just be closed. Please know also, that when a thread that disappears to you guys, it may still be there but we have moderated until we have time to read it and determine if it's worth saving, or to get another opinion on the value of the thread... If it's worth saving, we may leave it moderated until we finish, and as Chris said, we all have lives away from Camaro5. Please remember, we have many members that are substantially younger then you might imagine, and we try to maintain this as a family oriented site.... Language, personal attacks etc, will make threads go away quickly... If someone offends you, report the post and let us handle it... Please and Thank You Robert __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

06-13-2012, 07:22 PM	#27
qkslvr Drives: 2010 ABM 1SS M6 NON RS Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 669 View My Garage	I was wondering some of this myself, for instance I put a thread for the Sturgis Camaro Rally at the end of the month up in the general to try and get as much visual on it as possible. ESPECIALLY to those that do not frequent the Mid west section of this forum… We are trying to get cars from around the nation and that's why I put it there. If I would have wanted it just to go out to the mid west people I would have posted it there in the first place. But wait I already did that too... I completely understand about cleaning up the site and some thread do need to be closed… but sometimes (IMO) some things should be left alone *EDIT** was noticing there is no section for EVENTS….besides CAMARO5 fest in the general area…. I see the events log at the very bottom but honestly today was the first time I have see it LOL. Mods do you think it might be possible to add an events area in General Camaro Forums section ban coming in 3.2.1….. lol __________________ 2010 Aqua Blue 1SS KWC 3pc forged, Seibon hood, ZL front end, MGW, ARH full exhaust w/ Doug Thorley axle back, BTR4, Roto-fab, LSXR 102, NW 102, 3.91s 2018 GMC Sierra (Stone Blue metallic) 2016 Streetglide (Crushed Ice Pearl) 2018 Indian Scout (Bronze Smoke) Last edited by qkslvr; 06-13-2012 at 07:29 PM. Reason: more thoughts...

06-13-2012, 02:15 PM	#16
cb2011rs Drives: 2018 1SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Boca Raton , Florida Posts: 306 View My Garage	If you post in the wrong section you will get spanked ....

06-13-2012, 02:29 PM	#17
RichGreene Account Suspended Drives: 2011 1SS M6 Green 1993 Custom Eldo Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 973	I'm curious OP, what was the post about ?

06-13-2012, 03:25 PM	#22
bhall82 Account Suspended Drives: 2011 SS/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: North Carolina Posts: 15,241	And with that this thread is closed..................... Oh wait nvm I have no special powers.

06-13-2012, 03:30 PM	#24
MikeSVX The magic smoke genie.... Drives: Jewels (2010 RJT 1SS) Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 2,294	GTAHVIT, thank you for your responses.