2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Doubleblank

Is he still rappin or just acting these days?

LOL that was good.....


YO YO YO!!!

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Do you need to add TWO packages to a Base GT500 to get a factory-allowed 200+ mph? Yes. The total cost of said vehicle and MANDATORY 200+ mph packages? $61,000...not "rhetoric...FACT.

Curb Weight, Base GT500, as per Ford: 3820 lb. Curb Weight, as tested at Atlanta with BOTH 200+ mph packages: 3870. 57/43 "balance".

You're wrong about this. Only the convertible is limit to 155MPH. The coupe has no limiter.

Hameedi(chief SVT engineer/designer) himself has stated this in several interviews.

If you know what you're saying to be fact, please post where you got the information. I would like to read it for myself.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by garcmol

You sure? Who is Jamal? Am I supposed to know that he is the equivilent of our "fbodfather"...

Jamal Hameedi is the SVT Chief Engineer. I don't believe Fbodfather is an engineer for the Camaro team....

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Jamal Hameedi is the SVT Chief Engineer. I don't believe Fbodfather is an engineer for the Camaro team....

Nope. But he became Asst. Brand Manager – Camaro (and later Camaro Product Manager) on the Camaro/Corvette Performance Car Team and worked on the 4th gen F-car. His official title is "Manager – Chevrolet and Hummer Shows and Exhibits" – but he’s still working with the Camaro team and Chevrolet on the next generation Camaro. This man lobbied GM to bring the Camaro back. Great guy that I will see again this weekend in Atlanta.

[tooslow]

Isn't the Hummer dead? Why would they still include that in his title?

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Isn't the Hummer dead? Why would they still include that in his title?

Don't know. That's what I saw in his title.

[G8GT4now]

So how many threads have been moved into this one? I really am having trouble keeping track of so many different conversations. (Is that the plan? LOL)

[JMAN311]

Originally Posted by 93TealCobra

Insider information from someone who evidently got screwed over by GM concerning a few design aspects of the Camaro.

He may be wrong, but I haven't seen him say something that wasn't 100% correct.

So don't be upset when you see that price tag up $2 g'bombs from 2012.

How fishy does that mysterious QC hold seem now? All those 2012 orders that got turned into 2013 orders...

I'll believe it when I see it. I'd figure around $1000 at the most. There aren't enough differences from the 2012 - 2013 to justify that much of a price increase.....unless they are bumping up the HP significantly (which they aren't, else we should know it by now)

Originally Posted by jimbone

I find it odd that the 2013 Corvette pricing has been out for a while whereas the 2013 Camaro pricing has not been released yet.
I believe that the QC hold release on 2012 ZL1's was CAFE related. They had to wait until the end of Q12012 in order to sell these cars with GG taxes in order to meet CAFE regulations.

The 2013 Corvette pricing has been out for a while cause they've already started building them. The 2013 Camaros are still weeks out from production. Corvette production started 5 weeks earlier than the Camaro's will. (The week of May 7th vs. June 11th)

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by Rabamaro

This sounds fishy to me. If the crank hp really is 662, 609 at the wheels puts it at less than 10% drivetrain loss. I can think of one magazine in particular that posted 395whp for the 5.0 stock when it first came out...come to find out it was dyno'd in the wrong gear

What one set of numbers posted means nothing. The 5.0 makes 360 rwhp SAE. That's 425 crank HP to a rated 412.

The 2003 Cobra made 360 rwhp SAE or 425 crank on a rated 390 HP.

You can go to KB's website. There is an article where they dyno'd a car on a chassis dyno and then pulled the engine and put it on an engine dyno. They did several tests. It was all 15% drive train loss +/-1%.

The 2013 GT500 is a legit 700 HP car.

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

You missed the whole point, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. I'm talking about a race run at more than 1/4 mile at a time. I said the Shelby is faster, but for how long ? In reality there is no way of knowing which one would win after 25 laps, and bench racing wouldn't give you an honest answer.

Since the 2003 Cobra we've heard the "well a vette" and now that GM knew they could not beat the GT500 on a drag strip they strated promoting handling to this new point you are making, "how long".

The ZL1 will heat soak a lot faster than a 2013 GT500. The ZL1 has a 1.9 liter blower feeding a 6.2 liter engine. It has to spin a lost faster than a 2.3 liter blower feeding a 5.8 liter engine and one with 32 valves soo it is not as efficient. It's shoving a lot more hot air in that engine. The valley between the heads is a lot smaller than a DOHC engine, therefore the I'C is a lot smaller. The 2013 will beat a ZL1 in any venue even a road course.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Do you need to add TWO packages to a Base GT500 to get a factory-allowed 200+ mph? Yes. The total cost of said vehicle and MANDATORY 200+ mph packages? $61,000...not "rhetoric...FACT.

Curb Weight, Base GT500, as per Ford: 3820 lb. Curb Weight, as tested at Atlanta with BOTH 200+ mph packages: 3870. 57/43 "balance".

The thing about the uneducated and/or illiterate Mustang folks is, with all these possible option packages, STATISTICS and PRICE get confused. Happened with the BOSS- BOSS LS deal, and now it's happenin' with the ChiliWagon. Suddenly EVERY BOSS is $42K and almost matches the $55K ZL1 on a road course and at the strip. NO...it's the now-$49K BOSS LS that almost-but-not-quite kept up with the ZL1 @ Inde...but, again, that's rhetoric...

Whatever the GT500 does, track-wise, it will be a $61K+ 3870 lb. ChiliWagon with not-so-hot-sauce...and a decided PRICE disadavantage to match its PERFORMANCE disadvantage to the road-course-commanding ZL1. Remember Ford's emphasis on AUTOCROSS in it's early-last-week press release? THAT was rhetoric...

Since 1969 has been discussed willingly, here, and it was the final year before Insurance interests started pounding nails into the coffins of muscle car owners with huge premium increases, Camaro that year sold around a 1/4 million versions in that extended Model year. About 50,000 were "performance" versions (non-Base Model-based). What constituted 40% (roughly) of thse "performance" models, in the hayday of muscle car-dom?

Yup...Z/28s. Nimble. Road-racy. Capable. High-winders. Image. ICONIC!!

(Seems to me my racin' pal Dave Strickler did rather well at the strip with one, too...as did Grump with his ZL1...)

Why do we Camaro comrades value road manners and all-around capabilities? HERITAGE...and HOMAGE...the the REAL ZEE!

May it return to a Chevy showroom near you, very-very soon...

Hey LOWDOWN....ever heard of "Red Planet". Goes by more commonly known names too. Your posts seem eerily familiar....

Just sayin.

[69bossnine]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Hey LOWDOWN....ever heard of "Red Planet". Goes by more commonly known names too. Your posts seem eerily familiar....

Just sayin.

I wonder what Louis Chevrolet had to say about this in 1911...

[LOWDOWN]

This from CandD:

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2012/0...-shelby-gt500/

Instead of spouting oblique psalms according to Jamal (aka more rhetoric), simply post up the DIRECT REFERENCE from official sources...

Isn't it exciting spending time in "Dodge City on a Saturday Night"?!

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

....ever heard of "Red Planet"?....

Just sayin.

This thread resembles "Lord of the Flies", I'd say...

Here, Piggy Piggy...