2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[GearBangr]

I've nevere seen so many ford freaks in one place, lol. You know, I've never really cared for drag racing, I like to spend my time autocrossing and open track days. But, that's important to some people. So I will say this, the gt500 will be a beast on the 1/4, 15 psi on a tvs 2300 will get it done. If the gt500 does beat the zl1 at the lightning lap, I will be impressed, and will be the first to say well done ford. They went to from getting beat by 4 door sedans to where theyr supposed to be. The boss is supposed to be a better track car so well see, I dontt see it happening. And if it does good for them, they deserve theyr time in the sun. Mustangs are all they have, let them have theyr chance to shine. We had nearly two decades of gutless mustang gts, so its about time they do better now.

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Originally Posted by 69bossnine

"necessarily-equipped", that's rich. Do you believe your rhetoric?

Do you need to add TWO packages to a Base GT500 to get a factory-allowed 200+ mph? Yes. The total cost of said vehicle and MANDATORY 200+ mph packages? $61,000...not "rhetoric...FACT.

Curb Weight, Base GT500, as per Ford: 3820 lb. Curb Weight, as tested at Atlanta with BOTH 200+ mph packages: 3870. 57/43 "balance".

The thing about the uneducated and/or illiterate Mustang folks is, with all these possible option packages, STATISTICS and PRICE get confused. Happened with the BOSS- BOSS LS deal, and now it's happenin' with the ChiliWagon. Suddenly EVERY BOSS is $42K and almost matches the $55K ZL1 on a road course and at the strip. NO...it's the now-$49K BOSS LS that almost-but-not-quite kept up with the ZL1 @ Inde...but, again, that's rhetoric...

Whatever the GT500 does, track-wise, it will be a $61K+ 3870 lb. ChiliWagon with not-so-hot-sauce...and a decided PRICE disadavantage to match its PERFORMANCE disadvantage to the road-course-commanding ZL1. Remember Ford's emphasis on AUTOCROSS in it's early-last-week press release? THAT was rhetoric...

Since 1969 has been discussed willingly, here, and it was the final year before Insurance interests started pounding nails into the coffins of muscle car owners with huge premium increases, Camaro that year sold around a 1/4 million versions in that extended Model year. About 50,000 were "performance" versions (non-Base Model-based). What constituted 40% (roughly) of thse "performance" models, in the hayday of muscle car-dom?

Yup...Z/28s. Nimble. Road-racy. Capable. High-winders. Image. ICONIC!!

(Seems to me my racin' pal Dave Strickler did rather well at the strip with one, too...as did Grump with his ZL1...)

Why do we Camaro comrades value road manners and all-around capabilities? HERITAGE...and HOMAGE...the the REAL ZEE!

May it return to a Chevy showroom near you, very-very soon...

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Originally Posted by 93TealCobra

Insider information from someone who evidently got screwed over by GM concerning a few design aspects of the Camaro.

He may be wrong, but I haven't seen him say something that wasn't 100% correct.

So don't be upset when you see that price tag up $2 g'bombs from 2012.

How fishy does that mysterious QC hold seem now? All those 2012 orders that got turned into 2013 orders...

About as fishy and your "Insider"

Originally Posted by jimbone

I find it odd that the 2013 Corvette pricing has been out for a while whereas the 2013 Camaro pricing has not been released yet.

I believe that the QC hold release on 2012 ZL1's was CAFE related. They had to wait until the end of Q12012 in order to sell these cars with GG taxes in order to meet CAFE regulations.

Based on.......

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Originally Posted by jimbone

This is not true. There is no speed limiter on base, non PP+TP 2013 GT500's. The coolers and different suspension are not necessary to hit 200 mph.

NOT according to Ford...if you plan on runnin' 200mph...HEAT...COOLERS...FACT.

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BTW, the Curb Weight of a ZL1 Camaro in '69 = Curb Weight of a ZEE...and COPO option 9737 got you the ZEE suspension/tires-wheels...and exactly TWO of those were built. Talk about a "master of ALL" disciplines!

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Originally Posted by jimbone

Are you saying that the car will overheat and pull timing/limit the RPM during the ~90-120 seconds a top speed run takes?

If so, what are these factual limits as described by Ford?

Ask you resident Ford experts, here. After all, I only deal in rhetoric...

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If you're gonna contribute to the VAST body of work, here, please go back and find the specific reference already provided...and please review what has already been shared...

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by jimbone

Educated guess. Chevrolet's total CAFE has to take into account MPG for all cars sold in the US and adding 2 cars with GG taxes can't be done without consideration. fbodfather has mentioned CAFE before on this forum as well. It would be nice to hear a post from him about CAFE and its implication on the release of the ZL1, if any.

That's what I thought.

Don't know either about hitting the 200mph mark without getting the Optional 3.31 gearing

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I suspect he's been disrespected enough on this thread to preclude his further contribution...

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The 3.31s are Standard...and ONLY...

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Originally Posted by jimbone

Well it would be off topic in this thread of course, but a post in the ZL1 forum would be great.

How's your review of this thread going?

[newmoon]

Awesome numbers from these pulls. The 500 has more power but the ZL1 still looks better

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by jimbone

3.31 rear end gears are standard with no options on the 2013 GT500.

Ah, okay. Don't get me wrong, it's a great car. But I can't see not getting the additional packages to make it even better. I just don't understand that part of it. I dont' mean the Recaros, nav and sunroof either.

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Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

If my weekends weren't already booked with my 8 year old son's karting schedule I'd jump on this invitation. Perhaps in Sept/Oct.?

That would be a good time to come down. It starts cooling off in late September and our final race is currently scheduled for the last weekend in August at Infineon (AKA Sears Point, CA). We could take the 302R out to the track before we start preppeing it for either 1) sale so we can buy something else or 2) getting it ready for 2013.

We also run a Kart team as KartNation. I don't get involved with that, but our race driver still karts and drives spec Miata's occasionally when we're not doing World Challenge.