2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[DBS]

Originally Posted by hognutz

honsetly you just need to add ~80-100hp.

I think peopel have lost there mind personally no disrepect but if having the fastest car in the quartmile was that important I don't know why you chose the 4120lb Zl1.

I really feal like longtubes, pulleys, tune, cai, and you might not even need the longtubes.

I could throw that on in a weekend.

the 2013 GT500 is a rad car but acting like the sky is falling is wierd. When the ZR1 came out I did not go nuts even though one can spank me like a one legged man in a$$ kicking contest.

if the zr1 came out at base of 55k the sky would be falling

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by Deki

I think it's gonna be close on the road course. You won't have to deal with the lack of traction of either car or the torque managment. Furthermore, the ZL1, while weighing more, still has a much larger contact patch and perfect weight distribution. I wouldn't discount it just yet. If you bought a ZL1 for street encounters, you bought the wrong car. Both cars are amazing and both are exceeding my expectations on every level. I'm so happy with my GT right now, I can't even imagine what I would be feeling if I had a ZL1 or a GT500.




Come on man. 2013s are about to roll out, there won't be any changes. Why would you compare a brand new performance car to a 3 year old one? The new breeds came out 2 months apart. That argument is weak.

Fully agree!

[motorhead]

I really can't under why all these ZL1 owners are upset. You should all be very happy to be able to own one of the greatest hot rods of all time.

I wonder how many Z06 guys hung themselves when the ZR1 came out. I would bet not many.

[Pro Stock John]

Even as a diehard GM guy I can acknowledge that Ford just made the ZL1 look slow and unimpressive. Still would buy a ZL1 over a the Mustang any day. ZL1 is extremely cool looking.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by DBS

Well ford hinted to expect this with the shelby so they didn't lie. This car is faster around a road course than a ford gt. Words straight out of Jamaal's mouth. Even Jay leno who actually owns a zr1, z06,ford gt,and now 13 shelby says its faster than his ford gt that he put upgrades on even making it have 600 rwhp. The zo6/z07 is right on par with a ford gt.

Deductive reasoning would say then we have a contestant for the z06/z07. Which being 600 pounds heavier is remarkable.

Let me see if I have this straight....... a stock 2013 GT500 is faster than a 600 RWHP Ford GT, in what.....a drag race or run to Vmax ?????? I'll take that race any day and twice on Sunday.

I'll give you this........a stock 2013 Ford GT500 is going to give a stock C6 Z06 (Z07 is a performance package for the Z06) a run for it's money in a drag race and to a Vmax run....662 HP will give you that. On a road race course with equally skilled drivers, stock for stock,the GT500 won't be even close enough to the Z06's rear bumper to read the license plate number....that's what 600 lbs of extra weight gives you.

[grimmace]

Originally Posted by 69bossnine

I can't wait to see the real head-to-head comparison articles, but until then, we bench-race I suppose... I've got a couple comments..


* Grimmace - You do realize that it's the marketing team that decided upon model-year assignments, that they are rather ARBITRARY (2013 is 6 1/2 months away), and that these two vehicles are more-or-less hitting the streets concurrently, within a couple months of each other... They are contemporaries, period, trying to paddle-back to the 2012 GT500 just makes you look horribly desperate.

* Sure, a pulley-tune may grab you an extra 50hp at the rear wheels, but that certainly isn't going to net you the EXTRA 8MPH you need in trap-speed just to hold-check. Even with a pulley-tune mod, you're still underpowered and overweight compared to the 2013 GT500.

* Not to mention that they can do the same pulley/tune mod just as easily, just as cheaply.

* The fact that the ZL1 is a bit cheaper is a valid point, I'll grant you that, which allows you to use saved-cash towards mods. But that point only goes so far, because you never get your money back on mods, so when you look at the end-game, buying a slightly cheaper car and then modding the heck out of it is not an apples/apples $$ comparison. The modded car will be worth far less when it changes hands.

Lastly, most earlier GT500's on the road are at MINIMUM pulleyed/tuned and more than ready to walk off from a stock ZL1 in a friendly highway pull. So if you're going to worry about street-cred, better start turning wrenches... My 2011 GT500 with TVS/elbow/TB upgrades dyno'd at 660hp to the rear wheels, through it's 100% stock exhaust. It's a silly silly goose!...

In any case, I'm driving my '67 Corvette today, I'm no bow-tie hater by any means. This pony car war IS INDEED great for both marques, and the rivalry is damn fun...

Looking forward to seeing these two cars on a good road course, release the hounds!!

Sorry I beg to differ....not desperate at all....the point I was trying to make again was that GM pegged the ZL1 to the CURRENT gt500 so GM released what their horsepower numbers were going to be over a year ago. By GM doing this Ford now knew the figures and made damn sure it would have more....thats it. There is no desperation in my comments....just reality. And also again I think its great. This is isn't directed at you but some people on here love to point out the "facts." Well this is a fact too. It is also true that if GM does nothing to up the 2013 model with more power (which looks to be the case) then yes it will lose in the qtr mile/0-60 war of words. I would however like to see what happens on a track and what all the gt 500 people would say if it lost. Shouldn't be long now until we see those results as well. At the end of the day two awesome machines...

[GearBangr]

I don't see what the big deal is. Everyone knew what the results would be like long ago.
Mustang faster in a straight line, Camaro faster around corners. Mod accordingly for one to beat the other.

[69bossnine]

Originally Posted by grimmace

GM pegged the ZL1 to the CURRENT gt500 so GM released what their horsepower numbers were going to be over a year ago.

If you believe that GM was unaware of Ford's ongoing plans to counter their ZL1 with an improved/more-powerful GT500, you're deluding yourself. They knew damn-well that Ford wasn't just going to say "let it ride" and continue status-quo. Insiders in Detroit all know what the other team is "working on" in their skunkworks, to think otherwise is naive'. And what the heck, GO AHEAD and compare against the 2012 GT500... In a drag-race, man, it's a driver's race, very close, slight edge to ZL1 because of launch-control, but stock 2011-2012 GT500's run 117-118 in the traps day-in-day-out.

And I don't see GM countering with a 715hp ZL1 for 2013, which is what they'd have to produce in order to just EQUAL the 2013 GT500's power/weight ratio.

Let's be realistic, they came out with every bullet they had in their gun, that allowed them to arrive in the mid-$50K price range. GM could make more power (a la ZR1), but the mill would add alot more money to the car, and then they'd be spending boatloads of cash re-calibrating chassis and re-durability-testing a car that they just FINISHED spending all those development dollars on.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Can't wait till they are both on new lighter platforms. Exciting times indeed.

Been saying this for a while and I can't wait. The lighter platforms will enable every model from base to top of the line to be more exciting, better performing vehicles.

Lets just hope they can nail it in the looks department.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by 69bossnine

We're hijacking a bit, but FYI Justin bolted a TVS to my 2011 this last december, along with the big elbow, CJ 65mm TB, and resonator-delete.

I have totally stock exhaust still.

It dyno'd at 660 rwhp, 641 lb/ft.

Roughly $4,000 worth of gear, installation finished, dyno runs done, fine-tuning finished, in under 2 hours.

Been driving it every day since, no problems, totally civilized like factory. Justin's a good guy.

Was that including the installation fee?? I can install it myself but if its that cheap I will just have him put it in. Im only a little over an hour from them. Justin was also saying that he is working on a new TVS setup. A "bigger" one.

[Bob Cosby]

Eh, I'd take a Z06 over a GT500 without even thinking twice. That's not to put down the GT500 at all. In fact, being a N/A type of person, I'd take a Z06 over a ZR1, and would have to think SERIOUSLY hard if given the choice between a Boss and a GT500 (would take the Boss over the ZL1).

To each their own....there really is more to personal preference than HP alone.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

....that's what 600 lbs of extra weight gives you.

Don't forget larger contact patches, better tire compound, and better suspension. GT500 will not touch a Z07 packaged Z.

[69bossnine]

No, that didn't include labor... I lucked-in to getting the install done for a feature article in MM&FF (coming up in August issue). That said, I can't imagine that it costs terribly much, as it goes so quickly.

That was why I was so "general" with my $$ figure. In fairness to Justin, don't take it too literally, but you should just give him a buzz and find out what the deal is.

I don't know what you'd "do" with a "bigger one" quite honestly... I'm mounting some new hopefully-stickier Michelin PS2's later this week that will hopefully bring some sort of traction back into the picture. On my worn F1 Goodyears, I can absolutely ROAST the rear tires in 3rd gear just by giving the throttle a stab. It only hooks on good hot sun-soaked pavement. Hit a shadow, or play around at night, and only 4th gear will hold, and even it is a bit sketchy... I'm tellin' ya, at this 660 rwhp range, unless you run a purposeful drag tire, you're right at the limit of street-function. Where can you go to run from a flippin' 80mph roll?

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by Rangore

No disrespect, but that statement did make me laugh.

My job done well then.