The Truth About 'Ring Times?

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They are relative at least to all other GM efforts. Can't say what legitamacy is there for other manufacturers. GM is giving you their apples to apples comparison. So Corvrtte to Camaro or even CTS V or even Cobalt SS Turbo are all relative numbers.

Right. And how often does GM use those numbers in advertising to compare against their own vehicles?

You know just as much as the next guy that the numbers that are advertised are purely to poach customers away from a competing manufacturer. Don't play coy

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Looks like the Mustang guys are angry about the ZL1 quarter times, so it's time to kick the 'ring time, I guess.

Heh.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Number 3

They are relative at least to all other GM efforts. Can't say what legitamacy is there for other manufacturers. GM is giving you their apples to apples comparison. So Corvrtte to Camaro or even CTS V or even Cobalt SS Turbo are all relative numbers.

Except when comparing older some older GM times that were standing start and full laps.

But overall I think it was a great article, and I'm glad OP posted this.

I even have problems when people try to compare VIR lap times done on different days in different years like with the annual lighting lap comparisons.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Looks like the Mustang guys are angry about the ZL1 quarter times, so it's time to kick the 'ring time, I guess.

Heh.

why would they be upset about the crap 1/4 mile times? I don't get your point.

Did you not read this monster thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216280

[rez333]

Okay, let me chime in.

First, the article is crap because nowadays companies make computer timed in-car videos of their attempts.

Second, there is no second. See point #1.

Consider it intellectual masturbation to know what your favorite car is capable of - it's exactly the same idea as rabid fans cheering on their sports team - a ritual I think is a tad obsessive, but nevertheless not worthy of the same scorn that people are heaping on the Nurburgring time attack attempts.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by rez333

why would they be upset about the crap 1/4 mile times? I don't get your point.

Did you not read this monster thread:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216280

We've gotten reliable reports of both a 12.02 and 12.04. Doesn't the current GT500 do the quarter in 12.5, ie; half a second slower?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Looks like the Mustang guys are angry about the ZL1 quarter times, so it's time to kick the 'ring time, I guess.

Heh.

from what I read, they are laughing at the stock ZL1's 1/4 mile times. and you will be angry when a ZL1 gets taken by 2007-2012 GT500. And they will be pounding their chest when their bad arse 650 monster rapes the ZL1.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

We've gotten reliable reports of both a 12.02 and 12.04. Doesn't the current GT500 do the quarter in 12.5, ie; half a second slower?

?? Those are personal times for the ZL1, and you quoted "some magazine time" for the GT500. People have gotten stock 2011 GT500s in the high 11s.

Sometimes I think that most people on the internet don't really do any proper research at all.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by rez333

?? Those are personal times for the ZL1, and you quoted "some magazine time" for the GT500. People have gotten stock 2011 GT500s in the high 11s.

Actually, those are first runs for the ZL1, in less-than-optimal conditions. And it's still more valid than your cherry-picked link.

Originally Posted by rez333

Sometimes I think that most people on the internet don't really do any proper research at all.

If by "proper research" you mean that we cherry-pick information to mislead and troll people about the car their forums discuss, no we don't. I guess you feel we need more of that.

Glad you like your Mustang, anyway.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

from what I read, they are laughing at the stock ZL1's 1/4 mile times. and you will be angry when a ZL1 gets taken by 2007-2012 GT500. And they will be pounding their chest when their bad arse 650 monster rapes the ZL1.

They seem angry to me. And I don't care about the ZL1, it's just hard to read these forums with all the trolling and internet testosterone flowing around here. And take your Mustang bragging to the shitty SVT forums, you'll find other fanboys there who will happily agree with you there.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

They seem angry to me. And I don't care about the ZL1, it's just hard to read these forums with all the trolling and internet testosterone flowing around here. And take your Mustang bragging to the shitty SVT forums, you'll find other fanboys there who will happily agree with you there.

why are you so angry You are the troll.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

why are you so angry You are the troll.

I explained that in the post you quoted. Now, why are you so angry?

[LOWDOWN]

For North American "comparisons", the "favored" track currently seems to be Virginia International (VIR). Car and Driver uses this facility for their "Lightning Lap" annual times, and it's the course Chevrolet used for their sub-3:00 minute 1LE times. A destination most interested North Americans could at least possibly emulate/duplicate.

'Ring times, without a MANDATORY trip over a common weigh scale AND chassis dyno AND confirmation of DOT-approved OEM tires AND a common start/finish/launch, are merely long-distance (in more than one sense...) guesstimates, comparitively.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

I explained that in the post you quoted. Now, why are you so angry?

I am angry because you are angry and I hate to see a butt-hurt angry fellow Camaro owner. So are you getting a ZL1? If not, why are you getting all angry and defensive of the ZL1's poor stock times? Oh the 12.02 time you posted, can you post a link? I have only seen the timeslip that has the date and other information removed from it so it was a bit suspicious. If one has a 12.02 time, why wouldn't they post the whole slip, why would they hide half of it? Is the whole slip posted somewhere?