I need some help from some of you research hounds....

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by rolnslo

Actually, from the wording I've been reading in those state laws, they all reference "retail" sales. I'm pretty sure that Avis falls under "wholesale" sales. Moreno Valley was just the dumping point.

And the celebrities?

[Riderover40]

Originally Posted by rolnslo

Massachusetts: http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/93b-4.htm

Dam ! I have to get more time on my hands to decipher that gibberish !

[rolnslo]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

And the celebrities?

They are no different than any of the guys on here that had a first week build. They probably bought their way to the top of the order pile at their respective dealers so that their car was the first one in as soon as GM opened up a build week to the dealer.

[rolnslo]

By the way Hylton...here's the Google query I was using...in case you want to try and find more information:

http://www.google.com/search?q=vehic...&start=10&sa=N

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by rolnslo

They are no different than any of the guys on here that had a first week build. They probably bought their way to the top of the order pile at their respective dealers so that their car was the first one in as soon as GM opened up a build week to the dealer.

Pretty sure (I got a PM about it a while back) that several NASCAR drivers got the same VIN that they drive. And we have it on good authority that at least the first 10 were all predetermined. We also know that scott@bjorn3d had his car pushed up (and rightfully so).

There's something I'm missing here... it just doesn't add up. Either GM routinely breaks the law and gets away with it or they could easily push the rest of the preorders to the front of the line.

[rolnslo]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Pretty sure (I got a PM about it a while back) that several NASCAR drivers got the same VIN that they drive. And we have it on good authority that at least the first 10 were all predetermined. We also know that scott@bjorn3d had his car pushed up (and rightfully so).

There's something I'm missing here... it just doesn't add up. Either GM routinely breaks the law and gets away with it or they could easily push the rest of the preorders to the front of the line.

Yeah, I'm not a lawyer and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night so I have no clue if GM is breaking the laws or not with respect to the early VIN assignments and pushing Scott's car to the front of the line.

[BigRigMike]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Pretty sure (I got a PM about it a while back) that several NASCAR drivers got the same VIN that they drive. And we have it on good authority that at least the first 10 were all predetermined. We also know that scott@bjorn3d had his car pushed up (and rightfully so).

There's something I'm missing here... it just doesn't add up. Either GM routinely breaks the law and gets away with it or they could easily push the rest of the preorders to the front of the line.

I think the part of the statement that is key is that only a few vehicles moved to the head of the line. Some of the laws say that you need to provide a reasonable number of vehicles in a reasonable amount of time. If GM sells 10,000 vehicles for celebrities out of one dealership before any other dealership then that would not be reasonable. There is always a little wiggle room in the laws.

[CamaroELF]

Here's a good one... seems to have a lot of info on allocations and that they should be fair, reasonable & equitable... I think that is what we are looking for... a fair system.

http://www.watda.org/legal/Franchise...%20sec%201.PDF

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by CamaroELF

Here's a good one... seems to have a lot of info on allocations and that they should be fair, reasonable & equitable... I think that is what we are looking for... a fair system.

http://www.watda.org/legal/Franchise...%20sec%201.PDF

I'll take a look at it later. Thanks. We all agree that the ALLOCATION should be fair and it was - the 20,000 cars were fairly handed out. I am trying to zoom in on what happens when those allocations are sold vs. un-sold.

[Gibb]

A Gm Rep from Oshawa told me the dealer can bring the car in in the order that he chooses to

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by Gibb

A Gm Rep from Oshawa told me the dealer can bring the car in in the order that he chooses to

Leave Canada out of this bro! Not the same system.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Hylton

Leave Canada out of this bro! Not the same system.

It gets awkward sometimes when we're discussion the American situation here doesn't it?

[ShnOmac]

Someone thinking about a lawsuit?

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

It gets awkward sometimes when we're discussion the American situation here doesn't it?

Yep! Canadians get very confused sometimes.