American or Foriegn?

[Wizard1183]

Chrysler is Mitsubishi, and I know this because I worked on one a d the engine,fenders,ect. Had Mitsubishi stickers on it. To get true vehicles you have to get premium chevy dodge and fords. All their cheap vehicles are Foreign vehicles with an American brand stamped on it. Ex: chevy aveo. That little car is about as worthless as a 3$ bill. My gf owns a 97 aveo and she's got nothing but probs from it. For the 8000 she spent she got royally screwed. The dealer told her it's made to do 55 not 70mph. She's already had to change wheel bearings in it. Stay away from the cheap crap American companies spit out for profit and you'll be ok

[bthomp01]

Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I love this stuff. The concept car was done in Detroit (Warren, MI specifically).

The car is based on a chassis largely designed, engineered and tested in Australia.
Damn near all of the electronics in the car come from Japan and China.
The transmissions come from Japan (Aisin) or Mexico (TR6060).
The car's exterior designer came from Korea. (A Korean had his finger closer to the pulse of American muscle than Americans did )
The car is assembled in Canada and sold all over the world.
The LLT V6 originated in Europe.
The car was tested in Australia, the US, Germany, and Canada.

The car always was, and will continue to be, an international joint effort. The 5th gen Camaro has never been at any point in its life cycle, a purely American car.

And that's perfectly ok

You bring together the best of the best, from all over the world, and you get a truly world class car.

That's interesting info.. some of it I was aware of and some of it I wasn't. I know a lot of time was spent in Australia (my Dad took probably a dozen trips there during his final few years), but I wasn't aware of the Korean designer. That's a trip.

But there's still got to be a line, somewhere... Detroit didn't die because the US Auto companies became more global (Although Flint might be a casualty of this), Detroit died because people stopped buying American vehicles. Which, by the way, I can't speak to with any authority... I'm only 28 and even though I spent most of those years in metro Detroit I was too young to drive when the real quality problems hit the big three in the 80s. I can only speak to my own experience, which has been largely flawless, with GM vehicles.

I have a lot of pride in the products Detroit puts out because aside from them putting out great products, it's my home, and GM is responsible for my family being able to live the life they have for longer than I've been alive. It just gets my goat for people to be so shortsighted to say something like "It's a Canadian car" because it was built in Oshawa.

[8cd03gro]

I buy whatever car fits my needs best and earns my purchase. I've owned American, Japanese, Italian, German, etc. . . All make great cars and crappy ones.

[Gatecrasher]

If you want an American-made car, go get yourself a Tesla Roadster. It was designed, engineered, and built in the USA.

Modified Lotus Elise (British) chassis and body.

but I wasn't aware of the Korean designer

Sang Yup Lee. I'm not sure if he's a US citizen now or not, but he was born and raised in Korea.

I have a lot of pride in the products Detroit puts out because aside from them putting out great products, it's my home, and GM is responsible for my family being able to live the life they have for longer than I've been alive.

I'm originally from Metro Detroit. Spent the first 28 years of my life there. I even indirectly worked for GM at one point. I totally understand the pride angle. At the same time, I'm honest about the current state of affairs in the auto business.

Chrysler is Mitsubishi

Depends on the car. My Stealth for instance is 95% Mitsubishi 3000GT. Just the bolt on body panels are different. Even the "Dodge" parts were manufactured by Mitsu in Japan, and have Mitsu part numbers. They were just styled by Chrysler designers.

The Mitsubishi Raider pickup is the exact opposite. Dodge Dakota with Mitsu bumpers

Most of the more recent Chrysler group cars are Chrysler with a heavy German accent

[1BADLS3]

I'm an American car guy.

It wasn't the Japanese, the Koreans, the French, or the Chinese that inspired 44 years of automotive heritage behind the Chevrolet Camaro. Nope. This car was an American formula--A big, RWD muscle machine built out of the love for American 2-lane blacktop, rock and roll, freedom, and fun.

[rez333]

You can always tell how simple minded a poster is based on how they reply on one of these threads.

If American branded companies do not discriminate which country does what, I don't see why consumers should get all fussed about it. In the end, a consumer should buy the best product.

If American branded cars are not selling - your goal as a consumer shouldn't be to persuade other consumers to "buy American", your goal as a consumer should be to persuade the American branded companies to build better product.

We went through nearly 3 decades of American branded car "dark ages" because these companies were complacent and produced rubbish. Now that American branded companies have evolved and are beating foreign brands, you as a consumer would do American branded companies a disservice by still maintaining "old thinking" and being blindly loyal regardless of quality.

Guide corporate policy with your wallet. If you don't, then you're just asking them to produce rubbish products because you'll buy their product blindly regardless.

[bthomp01]

Originally Posted by rez333

We went through nearly 3 decades of American branded car "dark ages" because these companies were complacent and produced rubbish. Now that American branded companies have evolved and are beating foreign brands, you as a consumer would do American branded companies a disservice by still maintaining "old thinking" and being blindly loyal regardless of quality.

I agree, and this is where I get tripped up speaking to people who aren't well informed about the industry. There are a great many people who don't understand the strides the American companies have made in the past 10-20 years.

[derklug]

Americans have a great debt of gratitude owed to the imports, they dragged the Big 3 out of the "Good enough for the four years it will last" mindset. But now, it is time for Americans to give American cars a chance. Quality has improved to be in the ballpark with the Japanese, and beats the Europeans. From my experience, as Japanese vehicles get larger they begin to see failure rates more in line with domestic producers. The preponderance of small Japanese cars made their reliability soar, because they were well engineered for their size. As Japanese vehicles get larger, physics comes calling, generating more wear and tear.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by derklug

Americans have a great debt of gratitude owed to the imports, they dragged the Big 3 out of the "Good enough for the four years it will last" mindset. But now, it is time for Americans to give American cars a chance. Quality has improved to be in the ballpark with the Japanese, and beats the Europeans. From my experience, as Japanese vehicles get larger they begin to see failure rates more in line with domestic producers. The preponderance of small Japanese cars made their reliability soar, because they were well engineered for their size. As Japanese vehicles get larger, physics comes calling, generating more wear and tear.

IMO, the sudden collapse in quality of Japanese cars stems simply from the success they've enjoyed in the past few decades. They've become complacent, they know that they have a huge following of loyal sheep who will buy any car they produce, no matter how terrible the design or features. Problem is, as GM found out long ago, that only gets you so far until people start realizing what they're being suckered into and your competitors start eating into your market share little by little.

[Firebreed]

Originally Posted by hollywood21639

I loved my nissan frontier v6 supercharged, but GM rwd cars are my first love.

I still have my 04 Frontier its got more money into it than what its worth now with mods (Long travel front end w/ coil over conversion ect ect haha)

Im a car nut, other then bmw's i like every preformance car i come across, though Camaros will always be my first passion.

[Inferno2SS]

Originally Posted by Sidd218

Hey Guys, just wondering since every one here has Camaro's I was just wondering do you guys buy AMERICAN made or Foriegn cars?
I absolutely hate Foriegn cars like Toyota, Honda, ect. I ONLY buy American and have 6 Chevys and 1 Dodge.

I buy whichever car I like the best regardless of who makes it. I am not going to settle for what I think is 2nd best in terms of my needs, wants and budget just because it is made by an American company. Besides it is getting to the point where foreign car companies supply more and more US workers jobs. Unlike the Big 3 who are starting to build more and more of their vehicles in Mexico and Canada.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Inferno2SS

Unlike the Big 3 who are starting to build more and more of their vehicles in Mexico and Canada.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...0526_arlington

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us.../May/0525_dham

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...3_flintbaycity

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...y/0510_bigbang

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us.../0504_bg_reuss

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...0412_rochester

Want to try that again?

[Stew]

I buy from whoever makes the best car for me.

[69Z/28Camaro]

American forever. dad has 10 cars, hasn't even strayed from GM and i plan to do the same. we support our country