The 2011+ Mustang Thread - Page 775

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-27-2011, 05:07 PM

Cool!

Sleestack · 03-27-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sawyer

A boss with a blower will destroy a gt500.

A modded car can beat a stock car? Say it isn't so.... did you call Anderson Cooper with this newsflash?

ckaram · 03-27-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

thats pretty cool. They were able to get a faster time with the v6 mustang than they could with a c5 z06! also the boss wednt around quicker than the c6 grand sport

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/wi...of_willow.html

Cool! I'm sure they were also faster than previous model years of Ford cars too...

thePill · 03-27-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Sometimes...I have to remind myself I'm not reading the script of a WWE show.

It seems like that sometimes, but if I'm correct... You gotta give me access to the ZL1 forums again. If I was completely off track for the last 6 months I would agree with you. Is it insane to think a supercharged Camaro will weigh 240lbs more? Are we not supporting the chassis, drivetrain and suspension? The weight between an LS3 and LSA is 415 vs. 550lbs, transmission? Rear axle and half shafts, driveshaft. If I'm wrong, don't remove me from the ZL1 forum.... Let me make an ass of myself.

Kyle2k · 03-27-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill

It seems like that sometimes, but if I'm correct... You gotta give me access to the ZL1 forums again. If I was completely off track for the last 6 months I would agree with you. Is it insane to think a supercharged Camaro will weigh 240lbs more? Are we not supporting the chassis, drivetrain and suspension? The weight between an LS3 and LSA is 415 vs. 550lbs, transmission? Rear axle and half shafts, driveshaft. If I'm wrong, don't remove me from the ZL1 forum.... Let me make an ass of myself.

I think you are discrediting the ZL1's weight by a cute little blondes worth...or maybe a curvy one...

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-27-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I think you are discrediting the ZL1's weight by a cute little blondes worth...or maybe a curvy one...

the engine alone brings it up to 4000lbs. im sure theyre gonna go with lightweight wheels or something but larger tires and stronger drivetrain and larger brakes and other things will surely easily overcome that.i think 4100lbs is a real good expectation

Sawyer · 03-27-2011, 08:02 PM

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thePill · 03-27-2011, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

I think you are discrediting the ZL1's weight by a cute little blondes worth...or maybe a curvy one...

Crossing your fingers... 4105 is the minimum the ZL1 will be if extreme weight is lost in the exhaust. To the point of being illegal... 4155lbs will be the curb weight, unless they limit the gas tank...

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-27-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thePill

Crossing your fingers... 4105 is the minimum the ZL1 will be if extreme weight is lost in the exhaust. To the point of being illegal... 4155lbs will be the curb weight, unless they limit the gas tank...

Well....here's my math. And I admit, portions of it are fuzzy because we don't have access to all the engineering data, like mass....but then isn't that part of the fun?

Starting with an SS at 3860 lb.

Loose 22 lbs for the wheels, approx 20 lbs from the exhaust, 3 lbs from each front brake rotor, 25lbs thanks to EPS, and 2 lbs from the CF hood insert, brings the car down to 3785. (The wider tires do NOT add any weight. In fact, they take some out...but since I'm being nice...I didn't subtract the ~8 lbs or so they remove from the assembly because that might be part of the lighter wheels the Chevy engineers are quoting. I don't know.) But I digress....3785.

I used the percentage difference between the LSA and LS3 crate engines to calculate the LSA's weight to be approximately 40-50 lbs heavier than the LS3. This includes a liberal addition (on my part) of weight to account for the added coolant and plumbing involved with the supercharger. Oh, and 24 lbs for the beefier transmission...3859.

I figure on about 3 lbs of added weight on each corner for the MSR, 5 lbs per front corner for 6-pot brembos vs 4, and 10 lbs for added composite body aero pieces...3891.

Then...the undercarriage is the biggest "guesstimate". I believe, between the differential, the driveshaft, extra coolers, the twin-disc clutch, axles, and other bolts and pieces...maybe 85 lbs? The bigger, cast-iron diff, and coolers will contribute to most of that...but the rest will be minimal....3976.

Because I'm far from perfect...and because I trust Chevy will manage to surprise us with more magic somewhere, I'll convert that into a range and say I predict the ZL1 will weigh anywhere from 3936 - 4016.

Multiple sources have quoted saying that the "Z28", what we now know to be the ZL1, would weigh approximately 200-300 lbs lighter than the 4222lb CTS-V. This falls in line with my math, and roughly in line with the difference between the CTS coupe and Camaro LT models...

Sax1031 · 03-27-2011, 11:24 PM

I think the ZL1 will come in right at the 4000lb mark.

It would put it at about a 200 lb disadvantage. Barring the weight doesn't go down more for the GT500, which I doubt.

sik68 · 03-28-2011, 03:01 AM

GT500 > Boss. To be honest, I didn't see that one coming. I suppose it makes good business sense though: don't devalue the GT500.

a_Username · 03-28-2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

thats pretty cool. They were able to get a faster time with the v6 mustang than they could with a c5 z06! also the boss wednt around quicker than the c6 grand sport

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/wi...of_willow.html

Umm? Is 1:30.9 > 1:30.35? Anyways, this fast list is a lot different than Leguna Seca. Seems like the Boss won't be ripping up GT-Rs and Z06s at every track as thought in that thread.

8cd03gro · 03-28-2011, 03:47 AM

Take the times for what they are, a comparison between THOSE cars. The driver counts so much in that fast list. . .

25. Ford GT 1:31.57 '04 550 / 1538 BM 2005-07

23. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:30.69 '06 480 / 1585 road & track

Don't compare them to times run by other cars, on other days, with different drivers. It's pointless.

I thought it was interesting that the gt500 beat the boss.

Sawyer · 03-28-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by snakekiller

IL always has lower numbers.
i would of liked them to bring a professional to see the real difference, between the GT500 and Boss 302LS.

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8cd03gro Drives: 2005 STi corn fed Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,997	Take the times for what they are, a comparison between THOSE cars. The driver counts so much in that fast list. . . 25. Ford GT 1:31.57 '04 550 / 1538 BM 2005-07 23. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:30.69 '06 480 / 1585 road & track Don't compare them to times run by other cars, on other days, with different drivers. It's pointless. I thought it was interesting that the gt500 beat the boss.