FoMoCo:Correction customers, its a single piston not two.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

They're only a few hundred dollars...and shiny.


The number of pistons matter when you get to the larger sized pads/rotors and would like an even distribution of pressure for consistent and responsive braking....of course, it would be hard to notice the Brembos if they couldn't see them...even on the Camaro...in regular stoplight-to-stoplight driving.

iirc BMW's M3 STILL uses one piston calipers.

that being said, the only thing a greater number of pistons allows you to do is go with a larger Brake pad, and also a larger rotor. when it comes to performance and track driving the front brakes are doing an absolutely overwhelming amount of the work.

I still use the stock calipers on my car and i track my car very heavily with absolutely no fade. Hell even Ford/ roush use 1 piston calipers on their Grand-Am racing cars.

when it comes to the rears the size of the calipers/rotors are for almost entirely cosmetic reasons. I will be the first to admit that the rear brakes look extremely tacky with the brembos up front. My rears look cartoonishly small with my 6 piston calipers up front.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

iirc BMW's M3 STILL uses one piston calipers.

that being said, the only thing a greater number of pistons allows you to do is go with a larger Brake pad, and also a larger rotor. when it comes to performance and track driving the front brakes are doing an absolutely overwhelming amount of the work.

I still use the stock calipers on my car and i track my car very heavily with absolutely no fade. Hell even Ford/ roush use 1 piston calipers on their Grand-Am racing cars.

I really don't care what BMW does...let them do their thing, and we can do ours...tired of 'benchmarking' them like experts of the industry. Ah, I could go on
a rant...nevermind.

I know that front brakes do more work than the rears. I didn't really speak in terms of one or the other...just generally.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Yes, because my decision is solely based on stopping distance.

So, given your statement, the only thing I can assume is that you are a badge snob when it comes to brakes. Outside of stopping effectiveness (distance/fade) and brake feel exactly what is there to judge a braking system on?

Like I said if it's the best braking system in the price range, and I can't think of a better one, how is it 'sub par' as somebody else mentioned earlier?

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

Actually, I believe the whole point of this thread was about how Ford pretty much mislead or straight up lied about the contents of their Brembo package; it has nothing to do with which car can stop quicker than another.

You mean like this?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/11/p...hevrolet-volt/

And IIRC GM received money from the U.S. government in the form of grants to develop an electric vehicle. Realistically, that could be an extremely serious criminal offense depending upon the government's view of what constitutes an electric vehicle. I think the question here is how self righteous we want to get.

Crap happens, and I'll agree that everyone who thought their GT had two piston calipers in the back and who is now unhappy due to the same, which I am guessing is a relatively small percentage of folks, should get something in compensation.

That said, I worked in this industry for a time, and this happens to every manufacturer.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by syr74

You mean like this?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/11/p...hevrolet-volt/

And IIRC GM received money from the U.S. government in the form of grants to develop an electric vehicle. Realistically, that could be an extremely serious criminal offense depending upon the government's view of what constitutes an electric vehicle. I think the question here is how self righteous we want to get.

Are you friggin' kidding? Completely off-topic...

You don't need to get so defensive, syr...how many times must it be tossed out there that the vast majority of members here are Camaro enthusiasts?

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Are you friggin' kidding? Completely off-topic...

You don't need to get so defensive, syr...how many times must it be tossed out there that the vast majority of members here are Camaro enthusiasts?

I would suggest that, unless everyone slandering a company, in this instance Ford, for supposedly misleading the consumer on purpose is off topic, then this isn't either. If that is not off topic, then examples of how these kinds of problems are not a rarity isn't either.

As for your suggestion that I am being defensive, after re-reading my post I must admit that I don't see that. I'm going to argue that this is because it isn't actually there. Perhaps the problem here is comprehension. Inflection is an area where our schools are woefully failing us of late.

As for what kind of enthusiasts are on this site. I was addressing the obvious immaturity in the posts, and not anything specifically dealing with Camaro enthusiasts or even the car itself.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by syr74

I would suggest that, unless everyone slandering a company, in this instance Ford, for supposedly misleading the consumer on purpose is off topic, then this isn't either. If that is not off topic, then examples of how these kinds of problems are not a rarity isn't either.

The topic is the Brembo Brake package. Not half-baked attacks on the Volt.

Originally Posted by syr74

As for your suggestion that I am being defensive, after re-reading my post I must admit that I don't see that. I'm going to argue that this is because it isn't actually there. Perhaps the problem here is comprehension. Inflection is an area where our schools are woefully failing us of late.

And a form of communication that textual messages are completely devoid of....clarification or emoticons are helpful proxies...If I took your posts out of context because of that, then I apologize.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by syr74

So, given your statement, the only thing I can assume is that you are a badge snob when it comes to brakes. Outside of stopping effectiveness (distance/fade) and brake feel exactly what is there to judge a braking system on?

Like I said if it's the best braking system in the price range, and I can't think of a better one, how is it 'sub par' as somebody else mentioned earlier?



You mean like this?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/11/p...hevrolet-volt/

And IIRC GM received money from the U.S. government in the form of grants to develop an electric vehicle. Realistically, that could be an extremely serious criminal offense depending upon the government's view of what constitutes an electric vehicle. I think the question here is how self righteous we want to get.

Crap happens, and I'll agree that everyone who thought their GT had two piston calipers in the back and who is now unhappy due to the same, which I am guessing is a relatively small percentage of folks, should get something in compensation.

That said, I worked in this industry for a time, and this happens to every manufacturer.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I really don't care what BMW does...let them do their thing, and we can do ours...tired of 'benchmarking' them like experts of the industry. Ah, I could go on
a rant...nevermind.

I know that front brakes do more work than the rears. I didn't really speak in terms of one or the other...just generally.

i couldn't care less about BMW either..... but you can't deny the lap times the M3 puts out. It is the benchmark for a reason... whether you like it or not...

All i am saying is the error Ford made is small. there is absolutely no performance difference and hell... it took people a year to notice.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Are you friggin' kidding? Completely off-topic...

You don't need to get so defensive, syr...how many times must it be tossed out there that the vast majority of members here are Camaro enthusiasts?

until he finally cracks... or he finally buys his own

[v6sonoma]

Regardless of the performance difference they may have I think it's pretty crappy of them to just stick a cast iron piece on the rear. I love the looks of the Camaros brakes I'm sure most Mustang owners that choose the option would have paid a bit more for the nicer rears.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

Regardless of the performance difference they may have I think it's pretty crappy of them to just stick a cast iron piece on the rear. I love the looks of the Camaros brakes I'm sure most Mustang owners that choose the option would have paid a bit more for the nicer rears.

well yeah. i said that too a couple times. the rears just plain look silly with the brembos up front.

[v6sonoma]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

well yeah. i said that too a couple times. the rears just plain look silly with the brembos up front.

Maybe the 2012?

[porcupinekiller]

I wouldn't say I was an intentional lie by Ford. Probably a miscommunication between engineering and marketing that led to incorrect wording by marketing. It happens all the time with large corporations. Not a big deal.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

Maybe the 2012?

doubt it. i would be 10x happier if they were AT LEAST the same color as the brembo brakes. Ford probably sees it as an unnecessary expense.:(