5.0L Coyote engine being test in Mustang Mule

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Well the engine is not a bored over 4.6, its a destroked 5.4. There is also no way they are going to keep it under the price of a Camaro unless you buy the base model with no upgrades. The price difference between the two equally optioned is only $1500 now. I dont think with the new enigne and transmisson you are going to keep the price you are looking for. With the upgrades in drivetrain you are looking at added weight. They gained weight just with a few changes in body panels from last year to this one. The further upgrades, drivetrain and upgraded safety are going to add weight too. I say around 3700lbs for the new Mustang. Once again tho this is all just internet speculation until the numbers are actually done and in print.

Actually it's neither. It's a brand new engine. The GT is still right around 3500-3600.

[Grape Ape]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

Actually it's neither. It's a brand new engine. The GT is still right around 3500-3600.

That would be pretty sweet, and I agree that it appears to have different cam covers than the 4.6 or the 5.4.

[Hesh]

Well as far as everyone over on a website recommended here by a few of the ford faithful that use to show up here its a destroked 5.4. It may look a little different then what you are use to seeing being its an all aluminium engine. So im sure it did change a little from the normal 5.4. Also you are right the 2010 GT is between 3500-3600lbs. I was talking about the 2011 with the new driveline. This year gained a little under 50lbs with just a body panel change. With safety regulations, new engine, and tranny the weight will go up.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Well as far as everyone over on a website recommended here by a few of the ford faithful that use to show up here its a destroked 5.4. It may look a little different then what you are use to seeing being its an all aluminium engine. So im sure it did change a little from the normal 5.4. Also you are right the 2010 GT is between 3500-3600lbs. I was talking about the 2011 with the new driveline. This year gained a little under 50lbs with just a body panel change. With safety regulations, new engine, and tranny the weight will go up.

Yeah, but the safety regulations are already in place for the 2010, so the 2011 won't gain weight again by the same regulations.

[Hesh]

Actually no not all the required saftey features are there. There are some items that are required by no later than 2012 that are not included on the 2010. The side curtain air bags, and the stability control are a few that I noticed. Plus there are new requirements for the roof and side impact that have been increased. I doubt with the optional glass roof that it will meet the new required roll over saftey standard. So yes there is more weight to come from safety requirements.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by nester7929

Shouldn't weigh much more. It's still an aluminum block, and I'm guessing they just took the 4.6, bored it out and made some other improvements. Shouldn't be a huge weight increase.

Ford probably won't put IRS in. I think I see what Ford is trying to do. They're going to try to make the 5.0 put out around 400-hp, but it will weigh less than the Camaro. They'll keep the live axel to cut costs so they can have a faster Mustang for less than a Camaro.

It makes sense that Ford could have a faster 0-60 Mustang in 2011 than the Camaro and keep the costs down by not offering IRS.. By not having IRS it is actually making those 0-60 times more consistent as well since there is no wheel hop..

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Supermans

It makes sense that Ford could have a faster 0-60 Mustang in 2011 than the Camaro and keep the costs down by not offering IRS.. By not having IRS it is actually making those 0-60 times more consistent as well since there is no wheel hop..

There isn't supposed to be wheel hop with the Camaro, but that can't be confirmed or denied until we see some performance reviews.

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Actually no not all the required saftey features are there. There are some items that are required by no later than 2012 that are not included on the 2010. The side curtain air bags, and the stability control are a few that I noticed. Plus there are new requirements for the roof and side impact that have been increased. I doubt with the optional glass roof that it will meet the new required roll over saftey standard. So yes there is more weight to come from safety requirements.

im with this guy. People want a new and better Mustang, well its gonna put on weight. Dont be suprised to see a 3800lb mustangs in a couple years.


Which would render any advantage it had over the Camaro useless.

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Well as far as everyone over on a website recommended here by a few of the ford faithful that use to show up here its a destroked 5.4. It may look a little different then what you are use to seeing being its an all aluminium engine. So im sure it did change a little from the normal 5.4. Also you are right the 2010 GT is between 3500-3600lbs. I was talking about the 2011 with the new driveline. This year gained a little under 50lbs with just a body panel change. With safety regulations, new engine, and tranny the weight will go up.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-coyote-v8.html

It's an all new engine. It has a different bore, bore spacing and stroke than either the 4.6 or 5.4. It's a new all aluminum block, completely new heads.

[Kyle2k]

Originally Posted by Supermans

It makes sense that Ford could have a faster 0-60 Mustang in 2011 than the Camaro and keep the costs down by not offering IRS.. By not having IRS it is actually making those 0-60 times more consistent as well since there is no wheel hop..

That's not entirely true, look at this video at 2:39

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by Hesh

Actually no not all the required saftey features are there. There are some items that are required by no later than 2012 that are not included on the 2010. The side curtain air bags, and the stability control are a few that I noticed. Plus there are new requirements for the roof and side impact that have been increased. I doubt with the optional glass roof that it will meet the new required roll over saftey standard. So yes there is more weight to come from safety requirements.

I want to say the 2010 already has those.

[KILLER74Z28]

It will be interesting to see what comes of all this… I was under the impression that the 2011 mustang was going to be an all new design; body style and drive train??? That said, it will be interesting to see how the weight is kept down. I’m with Dragoneye, I see the new 2011 mustang close in weight to the Camaro if not slightly lighter (I know I know, let the fan-boys start with the rock throwing…) What I am really interested in is seeing what the new body style is going to look like after the last retro theme (wich I liked by the way). Might give us an idea on what we have in-store for the next gen Camaro.

[nester7929]

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

It will be interesting to see what comes of all this… I was under the impression that the 2011 mustang was going to be an all new design; body style and drive train??? That said, it will be interesting to see how the weight is kept down. I’m with Dragoneye, I see the new 2011 mustang close in weight to the Camaro if not slightly lighter (I know I know, let the fan-boys start with the rock throwing…) What I am really interested in is seeing what the new body style is going to look like after the last retro theme (wich I liked by the way). Might give us an idea on what we have in-store for the next gen Camaro.

They won't change the body style at all, they're just using a new kind of drivetrain.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

That's not entirely true, look at this video at 2:39

LMAO!!! Thats some of the worst Axle hop I have ever seen..