The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

That is far fetched and just another Internet tale. It is practically impossible to get the car that light period. There is not 600 lbs. of stuff that can be pulled from the car period. Add in a roll cage and all the required race gear. It would be nothing short of a miracle to get the car below 3,300lbs. race weight.

Got video of that?

Same night he ran the 11.44 there was a 5th gen. Camaro there with cam, intake, CAI, drag radials, full exhaust and a tune. Best time I saw him run was a 12.4. 1 full second behind.

D/A was 1,200' for most of the evening. Point being...given better air and a few tweaks, that 11.44 could easily turn into a 11.2 or close to a 10 all N/A.

BTW - He is running 93 octane pump gas as well.

he is on the fast list here as well.

the only person on this forum to even try a bolt on car with a sufficient rim and tire combo...and still on stock gearing.

And whats your point about the 12.4 cammed car on drag radials? Gt500 cars run 12's with 500rwhp with insufficient tires....

what good is a drag radial on 20 inch rims? why do you insist on comparing 20 inch drag radials to smaller/more efficient rim and tire combinations?

everyone knows the launch is what makes it in drag racing.

is a 20 inch drag radial a good choice? didnt think so

The 3090 was a far fetched internet tale? sure it was buddy...go tell that to livernois....but you would rather beleive the car is supernatural. Running high 10's with 420rwhp...ok pal.

they have not disclosed the race weight...that alone should tell you something...if it was worth bragging about they would be in a heart beat.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

he is on the fast list here as well.

the only person on this forum to even try a bolt on car with a sufficient rim and tire combo...and still on stock gearing.

And whats your point about the 12.4 cammed car on drag radials? Gt500 cars run 12's with 500rwhp with insufficient tires....

what good is a drag radial on 20 inch rims? why do you insist on comparing 20 inch drag radials to smaller/more efficient rim and tire combinations?

everyone knows the launch is what makes it in drag racing.

is a 20 inch drag radial a good choice? didnt think so

The 3090 was a far fetched internet tale? sure it was buddy...go tell that to livernois....but you would rather beleive the car is supernatural. Running high 10's with 420rwhp...ok pal.

they have not disclosed the race weight...that alone should tell you something...if it was worth bragging about they would be in a heart beat.

Hahaha!!! I love how you have tried to turned this from a weight discussion to a tire discussion.

You are not gonna come out on top of this regardless of what point you want to argue.

BTW - vid has no D/A info or track info. Appears this was a run back Feb/March time frame so I would guess the air would have been much better than 1200' above sea level.

Friend is running MT ET Street drag RADIALS, not Streets or Drags. 17" front and 15" rear. He drove 90 miles to the track and 90 miles back on the same tires he ran on.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ ULTRAZLS1 why don't you pick up a set of cheap corvette rims and throw a set of DR's on there and hit up the track and go for 11's. I see you've spent a lot of money by adding hp but none on traction department. My very first mod was a set of DR's, I even put it before window tint and look forward to getting kicked off the track for running too fast w/o a cage in a stock car w/ DR's which is any car quicker then 11.5 at my local track, so it looks like im gonna be roll cage shopping while I still have my factory warranty in tact and before I even put a tuner on it.



It looks cheap and easy enough to me.

I am more interested in the 17 inch bogarts. 18's still arent small enough. And 17's still cant compare to a set of 15 inch slicks and skinnies.

Problem is...what about the stock IRS breaking? Just another reason why the 5.0 is better suited for the track. Anyone can throw on some 15 inch slicks and skinnies and run some great times. If you can even manage to find a good combo on the rear of the camaro you still risk breaking something. Hell...we still cant even get a good set of 4.10 gears...the richmonds are breaking.

but in all honesty I really dont have the money to go risking a major breakage...I saved for a year to get the down payment for this car and I really dont want to severly damage something that is not covered by warranty.

average joes like me are going to have a hard time keeping up with 5.0 times due to ease of entry/tracking etc.

doesnt really matter...1% of cars see track duty and I am not going to run into any 5.0's on the street running slicks...ill have no problem from a roll.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

Hahaha!!! I love how you have tried to turned this from a weight discussion to a tire discussion.

You are not gonna come out on top of this regardless of what point you want to argue.

Umm...i dont follow.
Once again..are you trying to say that the single most important thing in drag racing is not a factor?

OR...
That a cammed 5th gen with nearly 500rwhp is not capable of running with a 5.0 with 430rwhp because it is 250 lbs heavier?

the only issue is the launch/ 60 ft times.

what then? I really dont follow.

I am not trying to win anything btw...I dont have a track car.

I showed you the video of a car running solid times with a decent rim and tire combo...but you would rather talk about 20 inch rimmed cammed cars running 12.4 (when someone has gone 12.5 stock lol)...what else can I say? a cammed car is even slower than a bolt on car? if its not the tire than what is it? more pixie dust? I dont follow you...the tires/rims make everything. Or you can take 600lbs out of a car and start an internet myth about bolt on mustangs running 10's...thats the mustang fanboy way and it is absolutely rediculous.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

what good is a drag radial on 20 inch rims?
everyone knows the launch is what makes it in drag racing.
is a 20 inch drag radial a good choice? didnt think so

The new 315/35/20" Nitto NT05R's are doing really well and have cut some nice 1.6 60ft's, but like you said you don't want diff problems from hard launch's which i'm also worried about since my last hard DR launch told me to service advanctrack system, some sensor wasn't happy but it went away on the way home.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Umm...i dont follow.
Once again..are you trying to say that the single most important thing in drag racing is not a factor?

OR...
That a cammed 5th gen with nearly 500rwhp is not capable of running with a 5.0 with 430rwhp because it is 250 lbs heavier?

the only issue is the launch/ 60 ft times.

what then? I really dont follow.

I am not trying to win anything btw...I dont have a track car.

I showed you the video of a car running solid times with a decent rim and tire combo...but you would rather talk about 20 inch rimmed cammed cars running 12.4 (when someone has gone 12.5 stock lol)...what else can I say? a cammed car is even slower than a bolt on car? if its not the tire than what is it? more pixie dust? I dont follow you...the tires/rims make everything. Or you can take 600lbs out of a car and start an internet myth about bolt on mustangs running 10's...thats the mustang fanboy way and it is absolutely rediculous.

Now you are insinuating and trying to add something I did not say. I never said he was running 20" rims. I know they weren't stock. I did not look at his aftermarket rim size.

It is hard to swallow isnt' it? Time to move on...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

Now you are insinuating and trying to add something I did not say. I never said he was running 20" rims. I know they weren't stock. I did not look at his aftermarket rim size.

It is hard to swallow isnt' it? Time to move on...

Than what are you insinuating? you laugh at the 12.4 with a cam like it is gospel....obviously it was a traction issue looking at the numbers.

And no...Im not sure what I am trying to swallow?

you showed me a stalled auto with 4.30 gears, tune, suspension mods, exhaust and 15 inch rear rims running an 11.4 @ 116.

I showed you a camaro running an 11.71 @ 117 with stock gears, exhaust, tune and 17 inch rear rims.

I can swallow that all day...I am really not that upset over a couple tenths compared to a stalled auto with a gearing and traction advantage...sorry.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by BigDan

The new 315/35/20" Nitto NT05R's are doing really well and have cut some nice 1.6 60ft's, but like you said you don't want diff problems from hard launch's which i'm also worried about since my last hard DR launch told me to service advanctrack system, some sensor wasn't happy but it went away on the way home.

I dont know man...it looks like very few are going to try and track an NA stock cube 5th gen so it might be up too poor little me....LOL. I am betting we will have to wait for prices to drop on used veicles to see a lot of them tracked...they are just not very strip friendly from the get go.

No one I have seen has cut any better than ~1.8 60 fts on the 20's with radials...you cant run a 315 on the 9 inch wide rims of the 5th gen. 275's is the end of the road unless you want to risk a malfunction. Even then I am not sure it would hook as well compared to the gt500 on 20 inch radials and SRA.

Like I said...the stang definitely hooks better from the get go...

I really wish I could try some 17 inch bogarts with slicks, some g-force axles, poly diff mounts, lower control arms, add some 4.10 gears and some good conditions. But ill be damned if you cant even get some gears...the richmond 4.10 gears are breaking on everyone and their is nothing else available yet.

I would like to try for mid 11's with that set up. I have a lighter 1SS which is lighter than stock...but I am 240lbs myself...which wont help a damn thing.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Than what are you insinuating? you laugh at the 12.4 with a cam like it is gospel....obviously it was a traction issue looking at the numbers.

And no...Im not sure what I am trying to swallow?

you showed me a stalled auto with 4.30 gears, tune, suspension mods, exhaust and 15 inch rear rims running an 11.4 @ 116.

I showed you a camaro running an 11.71 @ 117 with stock gears, exhaust, tune and 17 inch rear rims.

I can swallow that all day...I am really not that upset over a couple tenths compared to a stalled auto with a gearing and traction advantage...sorry.

I have no beef with the 12.4 Camaro owner or his car. It sounded great and one of the quicker 5th gens I have seen on that track. I posted his results as a comparison on the same track, at the same time. Not sure how that was misconstrued but you did.

Good on the guy who ran the 11.7. Still not apples to apples as it was a different track, different time of year. I believe that is the point that was missed with your rebuttal.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

I have no beef with the 12.4 Camaro owner or his car. It sounded great and one of the quicker 5th gens I have seen on that track. I posted his results as a comparison on the same track, at the same time. Not sure how that was misconstrued but you did.

Good on the guy who ran the 11.7. Still not apples to apples as it was a different track, different time of year. I believe that is the point that was missed with your rebuttal.

So because it was on the same day makes it a good comparison?

A 12.4 cammed camaro is nothing but a lack of 60ft. A guy on here is running 12.2 with an exhaust and tune L99 on street tires.

A 2.0 60 ft 12.4 could be mid 11's with a 1.5 60 ft. (just for example)

[wbt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

So because it was on the same day makes it a good comparison?

A 12.4 cammed camaro is nothing but a lack of 60ft. A guy on here is running 12.2 with an exhaust and tune L99 on street tires.

A 2.0 60 ft 12.4 could be mid 11's with a 1.5 60 ft. (just for example)

Reread your posts and see how illogical and retarded they sound. You intiated the whole argument by calling out an established outfit for a bogus 10 sec. N/A run.

I called your BS. I typicaly will sit and be content with reading but you took upon yourself by who knows what motivator to make the BS claims you did that warranted correction. Your behavior is nothing more of jellousy and immaturaty. Get over yourself an accept reality. You will be much happier in life.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by wbt

Reread your posts and see how illogical and retarded they sound. You intiated the whole argument by calling out an established outfit for a bogus 10 sec. N/A run.

I called your BS. I typicaly will sit and be content with reading but you took upon yourself by who knows what motivator to make the BS claims you did that warranted correction. Your behavior is nothing more of jellousy and immaturaty. Get over yourself an accept reality. You will be much happier in life.

I guess you need to call out Livernois for the info on the EVO mustang. They are on these boards also. MAYBE THEY WILL REPLY.
You might also want to teach them a thing or two since you know it all. They are still having trouble matching EVO's numbers with a full bolt on, intake manifold, CAI, stage 1 heads, 12:1 pistons, tune, gears and race gas 2011 GT. They were also in the mid 11's as well (just like the camaro in my link) before they went to more extensive mods.

As for the other stuff...I provided links of comparable times...not much else I can do.

Have a good night sir

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by wbt

It is hard to swallow isnt' it? Time to move on...

Dude, you should turn that into your sig...seems like it's the only line you have. Sure wish you were closer, I'd love to line up my sorry ass 5th gen against your little pony.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I dont know man...it looks like very few are going to try and track an NA stock cube 5th gen so it might be up too poor little me....LOL. I am betting we will have to wait for prices to drop on used veicles to see a lot of them tracked...they are just not very strip friendly from the get go.

No one I have seen has cut any better than ~1.8 60 fts on the 20's with radials...you cant run a 315 on the 9 inch wide rims of the 5th gen. 275's is the end of the road unless you want to risk a malfunction. Even then I am not sure it would hook as well compared to the gt500 on 20 inch radials and SRA.

Like I said...the stang definitely hooks better from the get go...

I really wish I could try some 17 inch bogarts with slicks, some g-force axles, poly diff mounts, lower control arms, add some 4.10 gears and some good conditions. But ill be damned if you cant even get some gears...the richmond 4.10 gears are breaking on everyone and their is nothing else available yet.

I would like to try for mid 11's with that set up. I have a lighter 1SS which is lighter than stock...but I am 240lbs myself...which wont help a damn thing.

You are not alone my man.....I'm going out to the track once more to see what I can squeeze out of the current set up on street tires. Over the winter, I'm going to address the toe links, sub frame & diff bushings...then I'm going to throw on a set of DRs and try again in the spring.

The # 1 problem with the Gen V car right now is the 60' times. I think we can ALL agree that 20" wheels/tires is not the must have set up on the strip. Anyone who thinks that running a 15" skiny/slick set up isn't a MAJOR advantage is fooling themselves. Pound for pound, the 11GT is a bad ass mo fo on the track...the car is ready made for the 1320, advantage Ford. However, you'll be hard pressed to find many street duty Stangs set up on full track trim...WBT is the perfect example. At the strip, with the current wheel/tire/suspension set up, the Camaro is going to come up on the short end, on the street....not so much. As a matter of fact it wouldn't surprise me to see the Camaro having the upper hand on the street.

Those of you who believe the new Camaro isn't a serious contender are quite mistaken.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Dude, you should turn that into your sig...seems like it's the only line you have. Sure wish you were closer, I'd love to line up my sorry ass 5th gen against your little pony.



You are not alone my man.....I'm going out to the track once more to see what I can squeeze out of the current set up on street tires. Over the winter, I'm going to address the toe links, sub frame & diff bushings...then I'm going to throw on a set of DRs and try again in the spring.

The # 1 problem with the Gen V car right now is the 60' times. I think we can ALL agree that 20" wheels/tires is not the must have set up on the strip. Anyone who thinks that running a 15" skiny/slick set up isn't a MAJOR advantage is fooling themselves. Pound for pound, the 11GT is a bad ass mo fo on the track...the car is ready made for the 1320, advantage Ford. However, you'll be hard pressed to find many street duty Stangs set up on full track trim...WBT is the perfect example. At the strip, with the current wheel/tire/suspension set up, the Camaro is going to come up on the short end, on the street....not so much. As a matter of fact it wouldn't surprise me to see the Camaro having the upper hand on the street.

Those of you who believe the new Camaro isn't a serious contender are quite mistaken.

Wow....more assumptions and insinuations except now from a different owner/member....in fact I am building my car strictly for 1/4 mile performance. Mods to date are:

1. Axle tube brace
2. Rear end girdle
3. O/R x-pipe
4. CAI
5. Tune
6. Rear sway bar relocation
7. Soon to have front sway bar delete (next 2 weeks)

Hardly some spode running around with a bone stock 2011.

Again this is not a thread about me or my car, it is about the BS being spread...