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[alrox]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

again you have your facts wrong....and indeed these are facts.
2012 viper is a go........it was on the list during chryslers 5 year plan powerpoint and then just last week during the dealer show. two separate dealer owners who went confirmed that the 2012 viper was shown to everyone in attendance. of course there are no pics because it was a private showing for dealers and metal detectors were used and no phones were allowed.

Describing the cars they see in a 'private showing' is in violation of the NDA they sign. They are not allowed to talk about any product they see at a 'private showing'. This is a rumor and speculation of what anyone saw. Learn to distinguish plausible rumors from fanboy wishes.

Chrysler is a financially inept company with subpar products, never take anything as a fact until you see it with your own eyes. I personally liked the 2008-2010 Viper and hope they continue in the same theme, but I have reservations.

Originally Posted by kevin2323

so no they arent losing money making 30k a year. because it doesnt cost them any more to manufacture it then it does the other line of cars. but you already knew that. remember this isnt the challengers first year lol.

None of this matters. Take the following figures and do the math.

1. How much did they spend developing the Challenger?
2. How much does it cost to make a Challenger?
3. How much profit for Chrysler is in each Challenger?

At only 30,000 a year they are losing money. Any mass produced car selling only 30,000 is on the chopping block to be discontinued.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by alrox

Describing the cars they see in a 'private showing' is in violation of the NDA they sign. They are not allowed to talk about any product they see at a 'private showing'. This is a rumor and speculation of what anyone saw. Learn to distinguish plausible rumors from fanboy wishes.

Chrysler is a financially inept company with subpar products, never take anything as a fact until you see it with your own eyes. I personally liked the 2008-2010 Viper and hope they continue in the same theme, but I have reservations.



None of this matters. Take the following figures and do the math.

1. How much did they spend developing the Challenger?
2. How much does it cost to make a Challenger?
3. How much profit for Chrysler is in each Challenger?

At only 30,000 a year they are losing money. Any mass produced car selling only 30,000 is on the chopping block to be discontinued.

wrong on all levels. the insider we have on the challenger board is 100% never missed on anything he has called so ill leave it at that. again you say chrysler has subpar cars, again you are just a hater that acts like he knows what he is talking about. stop taking highschool business classes and come to the real world.

good morning btw lol

[alrox]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

wrong on all levels. the insider we have on the challenger board is 100% never missed on anything he has called so ill leave it at that. again you say chrysler has subpar cars, again you are just a hater that acts like he knows what he is talking about. stop taking highschool business classes and come to the real world.

good morning btw lol

No one knows the future at Chrysler. They came show as many vehicles as they like, but they do not know what the future holds due to their money problems. When you hear companies talking about their great heritage of the past, or how great their future products will be, they are trying to distract you of their subpar products of the present. Chrysler is doing this.

The real world involves money, which Chrysler hemmorages. In the real world, Chrysler has poor sales and poor quality. 'hater' is a high school word which I would never use to an adult.

http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

2012 Viper is a lot of speculation at this point. With Chrysler's uncertain future it may not be worth doing. They sold far less than 1000 Vipers in 2009 and much less than that in 2010.

It does not make financial sense to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop, test and produce 30,000 low/mid priced cars per year. They are losing money hand over fist on the Challenger with no change in sight.

You really have no idea. THey have said they need to build around 25000 to be profitable with the challenger, which they have done, they are averaging ocer 3000 a month for most months this year. Remember, under the skin it is basically a retuned Charger with a shorter wheelbase which means shared parts and less cost. You really have no idea about CHrysler, you THINK you do and spout some mighty opinions, but their ever increasing sales (even before all the revamped and new models hit the lots!) says otherwise.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

No one knows the future at Chrysler. They came show as many vehicles as they like, but they do not know what the future holds due to their money problems. When you hear companies talking about their great heritage of the past, or how great their future products will be, they are trying to distract you of their subpar products of the present. Chrysler is doing this.

The real world involves money, which Chrysler hemmorages. In the real world, Chrysler has poor sales and poor quality. 'hater' is a high school word which I would never use to an adult.

http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/

LOL, love the name of that site since there has not been a "Daimler CHrysler" for years LOL. looks like a bunch of propaganda crap to me. Nice try. You keep showing your ineptness and inability to actually accept the truth.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

LOL, love the name of that site since there has not been a "Daimler CHrysler" for years LOL. looks like a bunch of propaganda crap to me. Nice try. You keep showing your ineptness and inability to actually accept the truth.

What truth am I not accepting? Is anything posted on that website a lie?

[stryder09]

Looks like in his world, Alrox is always correct. He can never be wrong, no matter the 'facts'.

If the Challenger was a giant black hole and not profitable for Chrysler in any way, shape, or form, do you really think they would continue to manufacture it? I think not. It's been manufactured since 2008/2009, correct?

[alrox]

Originally Posted by stryder09

Looks like in his world, Alrox is always correct. He can never be wrong, no matter the 'facts'.

If the Challenger was a giant black hole and not profitable for Chrysler in any way, shape, or form, do you really think they would continue to manufacture it? I think not. It's been manufacture since 2008/2009, correct?

In for a penny, in for a pound. If they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop a car and it suddenly becomes much less viable at release time, do you not sell it? Of course not. You lose 100% of your money that way.

It takes 3-5 years to develop a car. Challenger came out in 2008 as a special model. This puts the start of the development back in 2003-2005, the height of the greatest credit/asset bubble in the history of mankind. The bubble promptly popped right when the Challenger came out.

Even with the ineptness of pre-bankrupt Chrysler, if they had known the floor would drop out of the world economy, they would have never built a car like the Challenger.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by alrox

None of this matters. Take the following figures and do the math.

1. How much did they spend developing the Challenger?
2. How much does it cost to make a Challenger?
3. How much profit for Chrysler is in each Challenger?

At only 30,000 a year they are losing money. Any mass produced car selling only 30,000 is on the chopping block to be discontinued.

Yeah, those damn Italians are making any money off the 150 Ferrari's or Lambo's they make each year.

One could argue they aren't mass produced but pretty sure they fit within the definition of mass produced because they are available to the public.

However, at 30k units/yr they can be profitable. Overhead is shared between the charger, challenger, and 300C.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by alrox

In for a penny, in for a pound. If they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop a car and it suddenly becomes much less viable at release time, do you not sell it? Of course not. You lose 100% of your money that way.

It takes 3-5 years to develop a car. Challenger came out in 2008 as a special model. This puts the start of the development back in 2003-2005, the height of the greatest credit/asset bubble in the history of mankind. The bubble promptly popped right when the Challenger came out.

Even with the ineptness of pre-bankrupt Chrysler, if they had known the floor would drop out of the world economy, they would have never built a car like the Challenger.

It takes 24-30 months (I believe that's the number I saw) to develop a car on average. Some will take longer... but it doesn't take long to develop them these days.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

Yeah, those damn Italians are making any money off the 150 Ferrari's or Lambo's they make each year.

One could argue they aren't mass produced but pretty sure they fit within the definition of mass produced because they are available to the public.

However, at 30k units/yr they can be profitable. Overhead is shared between the charger, challenger, and 300C.

Ferrari/Lamborghini have more than enough profitability built into each car to sustain low numbers. They also sell more than far more than 150 of each model per year.

Any 'target sales figure' released to the public for the Challenger is going to be a lie. The internal number of future sales that led to the production of the car is much higher than 30,000/yr. Now that sales are low, they are now able to say its what they expected. Do not expect the truth from people that want your money.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

Ferrari/Lamborghini have more than enough profitability built into each car to sustain low numbers. They also sell more than far more than 150 of each model per year.

Any 'target sales figure' released to the public for the Challenger is going to be a lie. The internal number of future sales that led to the production of the car is much higher than 30,000/yr. Now that sales are low, they are now able to say its what they expected. Do not expect the truth from people that want your money.

OMG! Do you think it is all one big conspiracy???/ You keep ignoring the facts! Just shut up already you are like a broken record. You have no real facts. You think everything said about Chrysler that is the truth is a lie because it does not fit in what you want it to be. Get over it. Maybe if we all ignore you, you'll go away and that is my suggestion, IMHO you don't care about the facts and just what kind of reaction you can spawn, go back to playing WOW, eating Cheetohs, and stop making up crap. I am really done this time, there is just no point.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

OMG! Do you think it is all one big conspiracy???/ You keep ignoring the facts! Just shut up already you are like a broken record. You have no real facts. You think everything said about Chrysler that is the truth is a lie because it does not fit in what you want it to be. Get over it. Maybe if we all ignore you, you'll go away and that is my suggestion, IMHO you don't care about the facts and just what kind of reaction you can spawn, go back to playing WOW, eating Cheetohs, and stop making up crap. I am really done this time, there is just no point.

You tell me nothing except how wrong I am. Use your 'facts' to prove mine false.

You have time for insults. You should have more time for polite discussion.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by Stew

OMG! Do you think it is all one big conspiracy???/ You keep ignoring the facts! Just shut up already you are like a broken record. You have no real facts. You think everything said about Chrysler that is the truth is a lie because it does not fit in what you want it to be. Get over it. Maybe if we all ignore you, you'll go away and that is my suggestion, IMHO you don't care about the facts and just what kind of reaction you can spawn, go back to playing WOW, eating Cheetohs, and stop making up crap. I am really done this time, there is just no point.

:troll:

Let it die.