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[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

I don't know maybe there are changes that need to be made to the chasis or the ssembly line can't easily be made able to handle it so the work gets outsourced, that does not mean they cannot cetify the CHRYSLER V10 for use in the Challenger.

Aside from the facts I've mentioned numerous times before, I believe the UAW disallowing this in their contract would be another stopping point to this 'aftermarket company equipping a Challenger with the Viper V10' rumor.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

I think the chances of a V10 challenger are slim. Keep in mind MPG's will be a big issue for car manufacturers and big engine low volume cars are gonna be a tougher sell. Even if that doesn't affect the chances things like this will.
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/09/19/i...inned-alfa-8c/

If they can't even get a true Viper out then the V10 challenger really becomes a stretch.

Talking about a car that would be built in 200-300 units probably total gas mileage is a moot point since there really would not be enough built to even show up on radar. As for that article they admit it is all conjecture on their part and there is no official word that even leads to their conclusions.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by alrox

Aside from the facts I've mentioned numerous times before, I believe the UAW disallowing this in their contract would be another stopping point to this 'aftermarket company equipping a Challenger with the Viper V10' rumor.

I doubt the UAW would or could block such a limited production vehicle.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by Stew

I doubt the UAW would or could block such a limited production vehicle.

I believe you're wrong. All cars are 'limited production'. UAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

[SuperFly03]

Originally Posted by alrox

I believe you're wrong. All cars are 'limited production'. UAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

Based on what?

I'm wondering about this because are the SVT guys from Ford UAW guys? I don't know the answer to this.

I believe Dodge could pull off a SRT10 if they wanted, why they would need an outsourced company I do not know.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by SuperFly03

Based on what?

I'm wondering about this because are the SVT guys from Ford UAW guys? I don't know the answer to this.

I believe Dodge could pull off a SRT10 if they wanted, why they would need an outsourced company I do not know.

I'll rephrase.

I believe you're wrong because the UAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

That should be clear now.

Technically speaking, Dodge has the best change to pull this off with no help from any other company. However, there is no business case for them to produce this car based on the poor Challenger sales, small market for a SRT8+ 27K Viper engine Challenger, financial problems of Chrysler and it would ruin the exclusive nature of the 2012 Viper.

[v6sonoma]

Originally Posted by Stew

Talking about a car that would be built in 200-300 units probably total gas mileage is a moot point since there really would not be enough built to even show up on radar. As for that article they admit it is all conjecture on their part and there is no official word that even leads to their conclusions.

I disagree the Ram srt-10 sold 3,059 units in 2004 4,097 in 2005 and 2,373 in 2006 Which is WAY more than 200-300 and that was for a truck. If they put it in a real performance oriented car such as the Challenger those numbers would rise and that would affect their CAFE. Chryslers MPG's are already the worst of them all so they need raise that a lot or they'll be in trouble. I'm not saying the idea is impossible but it's not at the top of their priority list. Their is a reason why the Z28 isn't out yet. Because GM needed to focus on the important things first then once they get some positive cash flow they can spend money on lower volume products.

As for the article what I was trying to say was that if they are in fact just re skinning the alpha then there's a good chance the V10 you're talking about won't even exist. There was talk in the past of the last gen Viper switching to a V8 so since FIAT is running the show they might just use one of their existing engines. That is of coarse unless Dodge has something already well into development. Who the hell knows. Either way I can't afford it. So I guess all we can do is sit back have a drink and wait and see.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by alrox

I'll rephrase.

I believe you're wrong because the UAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

That should be clear now.

Technically speaking, Dodge has the best change to pull this off with no help from any other company. However, there is no business case for them to produce this car based on the poor Challenger sales, small market for a SRT8+ 27K Viper engine Challenger, financial problems of Chrysler and it would ruin the exclusive nature of the 2012 Viper.

Challengers are not assembled by UAW employees

[Stew]

Originally Posted by v6sonoma

I disagree the Ram srt-10 sold 3,059 units in 2004 4,097 in 2005 and 2,373 in 2006 Which is WAY more than 200-300 and that was for a truck. If they put it in a real performance oriented car such as the Challenger those numbers would rise and that would affect their CAFE. Chryslers MPG's are already the worst of them all so they need raise that a lot or they'll be in trouble. I'm not saying the idea is impossible but it's not at the top of their priority list. Their is a reason why the Z28 isn't out yet. Because GM needed to focus on the important things first then once they get some positive cash flow they can spend money on lower volume products.

As for the article what I was trying to say was that if they are in fact just re skinning the alpha then there's a good chance the V10 you're talking about won't even exist. There was talk in the past of the last gen Viper switching to a V8 so since FIAT is running the show they might just use one of their existing engines. That is of coarse unless Dodge has something already well into development. Who the hell knows. Either way I can't afford it. So I guess all we can do is sit back have a drink and wait and see.

My thought is not that would only receive that many orders, but that is how many Dodge will build. As I said a new supercharged or turbocharged 6.4 (backed by the new 8 speed auto) would be my preference. I personally wouldn't many if any of the V10s my self. My point is that they will make it, but that if they could. IMHO it is kind of redundant.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Challengers are not assembled by UAW employees

You are correct.

I believe you're wrong because the CAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by alrox

I'll rephrase.

I believe you're wrong because the UAW has to produce every aspect of all the cars they are under contract for.

That should be clear now.

Technically speaking, Dodge has the best change to pull this off with no help from any other company. However, there is no business case for them to produce this car based on the poor Challenger sales, small market for a SRT8+ 27K Viper engine Challenger, financial problems of Chrysler and it would ruin the exclusive nature of the 2012 Viper.

it would not ruin the exclusive nature 2012 viper.......the 2012 viper is just that...the return of the viper. no matter if the challenger sported the engine in 2011. plus it will be returning with more hp than its 600 hp varient.

and no one said the challenger v10 would be massed produced. it will be a limited car and high priced most likely. and btw challenger sales are not poor. they sell just about what they produce per year which is 30000 which is 70000 less than the camaro and the mustang build. this car has always been limited and that is the reason why the srt8 is so pricey. it has always been a low volume car in chryslers line.

[alrox]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

it would not ruin the exclusive nature 2012 viper.......the 2012 viper is just that...the return of the viper. no matter if the challenger sported the engine in 2011. plus it will be returning with more hp than its 600 hp varient.

and no one said the challenger v10 would be massed produced. it will be a limited car and high priced most likely. and btw challenger sales are not poor. they sell just about what they produce per year which is 30000 which is 70000 less than the camaro and the mustang build. this car has always been limited and that is the reason why the srt8 is so pricey. it has always been a low volume car in chryslers line.

2012 Viper is a lot of speculation at this point. With Chrysler's uncertain future it may not be worth doing. They sold far less than 1000 Vipers in 2009 and much less than that in 2010.

It does not make financial sense to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop, test and produce 30,000 low/mid priced cars per year. They are losing money hand over fist on the Challenger with no change in sight.

[xs29j8]

Originally Posted by Stew

My thought is not that would only receive that many orders, but that is how many Dodge will build. As I said a new supercharged or turbocharged 6.4 (backed by the new 8 speed auto) would be my preference. I personally wouldn't many if any of the V10s my self. My point is that they will make it, but that if they could. IMHO it is kind of redundant.

I still have my doubts about a Viper V10 powered Challenger, but believe that something might be in the works. Keeping in mind that Hemi Orange seems to be Dodge's favorite launch color for the Challenger, here is what a Chrysler worker posted today on a Mopar forum:

Posted Today, 04:53 pm

They ran quite a few Hemi-Orange Challengers down the line today with the same cutout in the hood that they use for the Mopar '10... but isn't it only available in black?

When someone confirmed the M10 Challenger was only to be made in black, another Chrysler worker replied:

Posted Today, 06:08 pm
We thought the same thing on Final today....someone had already put it in the computer to verify the hood. Some calls were made....then it was confirmed that the hood scoops will now be functional. Its nice how we are last to know...yet we are the ones building the car. WCM at it's best.

It could be something as simple as a second color for the M10, or a new option on R/Ts or SRT8s... ooooor ???

XS

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by alrox

2012 Viper is a lot of speculation at this point. With Chrysler's uncertain future it may not be worth doing. They sold far less than 1000 Vipers in 2009 and much less than that in 2010.

It does not make financial sense to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to develop, test and produce 30,000 low/mid priced cars per year. They are losing money hand over fist on the Challenger with no change in sight.

again you have your facts wrong....and indeed these are facts.
2012 viper is a go........it was on the list during chryslers 5 year plan powerpoint and then just last week during the dealer show. two separate dealer owners who went confirmed that the 2012 viper was shown to everyone in attendance. of course there are no pics because it was a private showing for dealers and metal detectors were used and no phones were allowed.

so again sir your fake preaching doesnt work here. sorry but we have high expectations for trolls here and you do not meet them. please start stating opinions and not false facts.

oh and just so you know, challenger is built on the same line as the charger, and other cars at the brampton plant. this isnt the viper ok?

so no they arent losing money making 30k a year. because it doesnt cost them any more to manufacture it then it does the other line of cars. but you already knew that. remember this isnt the challengers first year lol.