Mustang Fanatics SCARED and dissapointed with 2010 stang! Must read!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by camaro_burns_all

the Mustangs do weigh less and it will make up the difference there.

No, it won't and Ford knew that would be the case. The Mustang has almost always trailed the Camaro in horsepower throughout its history, but as we all know, that hasn't seemed to make much of a difference in how well they sell. If a strategy is working, why change it? That would be like Coke changing their formula because Pepsi has more caffiene.

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

...and as far as "bang for the buck" goes, the V6 Camaro will be more fun to drive and evoke more of a feeling of quality than the V8 mustang, and since everyone seems to think that sales of the mustang are so good because of the lower price, it seems likely that a lot of mustang GT sales could be robbed by the lower priced V6 Camaro due to the more recent technology in the design at same or lower price.

Dude, very few, if any, people looking to buy a V8 Mustang is going to be in the market for a V6 Camaro, not matter how much horsepower the V6 Camaro makes. While the 3.6 might make 300 horspower, it only makes 273 lb/ft of torque versus the Mustang GT's 325 lb/ft. That a pretty significant difference and, coupled with the weight difference between the Camaro and the Mustang, the performance gap will likely be much wider than many are stating/wishing for.

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

In other words, the base Mustang will still sell to whomever it sells to now. If that's where all the sales of the mustang are coming from, you can KEEP those sales... there's no money in stripper models. V6 Camaro should steal higher level V6 and low-mid level V8 mustang sales. 1SS should take away mid to mid-high level Mustang V8 sales, and 2SS should put a hurt on special Mustang models.

I bet GM is glad you don't run their company. I don't know if you noticed lately, but GM needs all the sales it can get these days and your're willing to concede a huge market segment to the competition. Brilliant! There is no doubt that the Camaro will take a bite out of Mustang sales across the board. I don't think anyone is even argued that would not be the case, so you're preaching to the choir

Originally Posted by SoSmoked

Ford keeps putting ancient technology in the mustang and slowly keep raising the price. I feel sorry for anybody excited to buy one with 8 hamsters on spinning wheels to make up that earth crushing 315hp. A new accord coupe can run a 13.8-13.9 1/4mi, with a few bolt-ons would be pooping out new slowstangs.

So, for the millionth time, help us understand exactly what new "technology" the Camaro bring to the table and that the Mustang lacks. IRS? It's been around for decades. GM still uses leaf springs in the Corvette, how long has that "technology" been around? Does that make the Corvette less of a car because of it?

When I think automotive technology, I think of things like electronic engine management, traction contol, voice-activated entertainment systems, navigation systems, etc. I'd say the Mustang is ahead of the Camaro in those aspects of technology, at least with the initial Camaro offering.

Originally Posted by SpectorV

When they make a newer mustang with real power and not charge 20k adm's I will get one. The new GT500 looks nice but the prices are still to high for what they are (sticker = good ... adm = no thanks)

Dude, nobody has been getting those kind of ADM's for a GT500 for almost a year now. You need to shop around because getting into at MRSP is super-easy and most who are buying today are getting it under MRSP. I can promise you that if you upgrade from an '03-'04 Cobra to a GT500, you will never regret it.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

When I think automotive technology, I think of things like electronic engine management, traction contol, voice-activated entertainment systems, navigation systems, etc. I'd say the Mustang is ahead of the Camaro in those aspects of technology, at least with the initial Camaro offering.

Uh, Camaro has both electronic engine management, Traction control, PLUS they have Direct injection in the V6 (mustang don't) (BETTER MPG AND HP in the Camaro), They have STABILITY control as Standard equipment (Mustang Don't) Voice activated entertainment system and Nav systems.. they are just Gimmics and have nothing to do with the technological aspects of performance.

[GTAHVIT]

Why can't all mustang folks be like you all. Even if I don't always agree, You all seem to be very reasonable people.

Not that we don't have jerks on our side....

Thanks,

[Max]

Originally Posted by XAnimal

You still didn't answer my question as to much of that is AFTERMARKET and how much it cost we're talking stock numbers

If stock is what you like thats cool.How much have i spent on after market,i'll never tell thats where the fun comes in.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Why can't all mustang folks be like you all. Even if I don't always agree, You all seem to be very reasonable people.

Not that we don't have jerks on our side....

Thanks,

Notice the closer the release date for the new Camaro gets the more Mustang guys seem to be popping up around here?
Maybe the title of this thread is correct and they now feel obligated to defend their car.

I think until the Camaro and 2010 Mustang actually hits the streets that all this is just a bunch of bench racing and BS, everyone can talk HP and Torque, but when you get down to actual real world performance we will just have to wait and see who is actually on top...

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Why can't all mustang folks be like you all. Even if I don't always agree, You all seem to be very reasonable people.

Not that we don't have jerks on our side....

Thanks,

I have had 9 Mustangs since I was 16 and I have had 3 67 Novas

I had a chance to buy a 69 z28 clone back in the day too.

I love both chevy and ford

[Dakota Kid]

I am on the fence here. I want a muscle car that is fun to drive, won't cost an arm and a leg, and gets reasonable mileage. I have owned both Mustangs and Camaros in the past, I lean toward the Camaro styling wise, but I think the Mustang V-8 has plenty of power and is more reasonably priced.

It will come down to a test drive. I am not, repeat, not going to pay GM MSRP for any of their cars. If I do like the Camaro, I may have to wait until the initial rush wears off...so pricing comes back down to earth.

I have a feeling I can deal for a Mustang GT.

Anyway..is the Camaro SS REALLY gonna be faster than the GT? Honestly?

[Sleeper]

Dakota Kid go for the new Camaro its going to be a winner !

[shadowed_Stranger]

Originally Posted by SIK07GTSTANG

Basically, by the time the Camaro comes out, you guys can trust that us real Mustang owners that actually work on and improve our cars will be the only ones that'll give you trouble. Can't wait.

So essentially your argument is, The real mustang owners that work on, mod, and dump money into our cars will be giving all camaro owners trouble? So there are no real camaro owners that will be improving their cars?

[shadowed_Stranger]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

So, for the millionth time, help us understand exactly what new "technology" the Camaro bring to the table and that the Mustang lacks. IRS? It's been around for decades. GM still uses leaf springs in the Corvette, how long has that "technology" been around? Does that make the Corvette less of a car because of it?

AFM. Cylinder deactivation on the v8, on low throttle and idle to save gas with no performance loss.

Cylinder deactivation has been in cars before, sure, but no one else uses it at the moment, and it is done in a different way than has ever been done in the past.

[joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

I am on the fence here. I want a muscle car that is fun to drive, won't cost an arm and a leg, and gets reasonable mileage. I have owned both Mustangs and Camaros in the past, I lean toward the Camaro styling wise, but I think the Mustang V-8 has plenty of power and is more reasonably priced.

It will come down to a test drive. I am not, repeat, not going to pay GM MSRP for any of their cars. If I do like the Camaro, I may have to wait until the initial rush wears off...so pricing comes back down to earth.

I have a feeling I can deal for a Mustang GT.

Anyway..is the Camaro SS REALLY gonna be faster than the GT? Honestly?

2010 Mustangs are going to sell for MSRP or more as well, and yes the Camaro is going to be that much faster!

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

I am on the fence here. I want a muscle car that is fun to drive, won't cost an arm and a leg, and gets reasonable mileage. I have owned both Mustangs and Camaros in the past, I lean toward the Camaro styling wise, but I think the Mustang V-8 has plenty of power and is more reasonably priced.

It will come down to a test drive. I am not, repeat, not going to pay GM MSRP for any of their cars. If I do like the Camaro, I may have to wait until the initial rush wears off...so pricing comes back down to earth.

I have a feeling I can deal for a Mustang GT.

Anyway..is the Camaro SS REALLY gonna be faster than the GT? Honestly?

No BS, Stock for Stock The SS is going to out perform the GT. I'm sure Ford will step up in the near future. But for now, SS is the winner. Now you have to decide is the better performance worth more money. And that puts you squarely in the target market for both manufactures. They are fighting their guts out for you and the millions like you. GM is hoping that you will see the value added and pay a more to get more. Ford hopes you will see the bottom dollar savings as enough to offset the lesser performance.

Also, GM is trying to steal prospective GT V8 buyers with the less expensive V6 Camaro... A big gamble on GM's part. We'll see how it plays out.

But, make no mistake. You, Sir, are exactly the guy they are fighting tooth and nail over.

[BryGo]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

No BS, Stock for Stock The SS is going to out perform the GT. I'm sure Ford will step up in the near future. But for now, SS is the winner. Now you have to decide is the better performance worth more money. And that puts you squarely in the target market for both manufactures. They are fighting their guts out for you and the millions like you. GM is hoping that you will see the value added and pay a more to get more. Ford hopes you will see the bottom dollar savings as enough to offset the lesser performance.

Also, GM is trying to steal prospective GT V8 buyers with the less expensive V6 Camaro... A big gamble on GM's part. We'll see how it plays out.

But, make no mistake. You, Sir, are exactly the guy they are fighting tooth and nail over.

GTAHVIT is spot on.

You're the guy they are after. Ford will have something out in the next few years (the 50TH Anniversary as an example) that will probably have something pretty special. But by the time thats squared away, Chevy will have already answered with a turbo or an LS7, etc. You'll see.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Uh, Camaro has both electronic engine management, Traction control, PLUS they have Direct injection in the V6 (mustang don't) (BETTER MPG AND HP in the Camaro), They have STABILITY control as Standard equipment (Mustang Don't) Voice activated entertainment system and Nav systems.. they are just Gimmics and have nothing to do with the technological aspects of performance.

I agree, but the fact of the matter is, the majority of car buyers don't really car about the performance aspects of their car and having a navigation system might be the difference in picking a Camaro or a Mustang. Those same people could car less how the cars get the gas mileage they observe, too.

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Notice the closer the release date for the new Camaro gets the more Mustang guys seem to be popping up around here?
Maybe the title of this thread is correct and they now feel obligated to defend their car.

I think until the Camaro and 2010 Mustang actually hits the streets that all this is just a bunch of bench racing and BS, everyone can talk HP and Torque, but when you get down to actual real world performance we will just have to wait and see who is actually on top...

For the record, most of the "Mustang" guys, as you like to call them, that have made more than one or two posts, have been here for awhile.

Originally Posted by Dakota Kid

Anyway..is the Camaro SS REALLY gonna be faster than the GT? Honestly?

Yes, the SS will have better performance than the Mustang GT. No doubt about it.

Originally Posted by shadowed_Stranger

AFM. Cylinder deactivation on the v8, on low throttle and idle to save gas with no performance loss.

Cylinder deactivation has been in cars before, sure, but no one else uses it at the moment, and it is done in a different way than has ever been done in the past.

Yes, they do. My wifes Chrysler Aspen has it and it works the same.

So, you are saying that despite the fact that the technology has been used before, it has been improved and cannot be compared to what was accomplished in the past? Hmmm...since both my 1965 Mustang fastback and my 2007 GT500 have a SRA, then we must assume they perform exactly the same. Unless of course, it is set up differently than it was done in the past.

Originally Posted by joes3rdcamaro82/91/2010

2010 Mustangs are going to sell for MSRP or more as well, and yes the Camaro is going to be that much faster!

No, they won't. The initial hysteria around the "retro" Mustang is no longer there and I doubt it will be even with the updated body panels/interior. Will they ask MSRP or more, sure, but I doubt they get it from anyone who knows how to deal on a car. The Camaro, however, is the "gotta have it" car of 2009, so you are less likely to get into one for MSRP. Especially in the initial months of production.