The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[ObseSSed]

Originally Posted by parksdjs

I haven't found a true stock 5.0 that's beat mine yet and I am up to 7 so far and counting.

You're telling me what I want to hear!

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Little gain? To hell with the expense? This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Who here thinks GM should have saved money by putting the 3.9L V6 out of the Impala into the Camaro LT instead of the 3.6L?

As for the V8s, Fords 5.0L makes as much power with 74 fewer cubic inches of displacement, and gets significantly better fuel economy without resorting to cylinder deactivation systems that limit what you can do with exhaust systems. I know that no one here thinks they care about fuel economy, but you will if the next Camaro SS is forced to go to a turbo V6 instead of a V8 because GM can't get their inefficient pushrod engines past escalating CAFE requirements. I'm not trying to start an argument about or support CAFE, I'm just pointing out a reality that has to be dealt with in the very near future. These cars are not being built in a vacuum. Other considerations have to be taken into account besides drag racing. They have to compete in the same environment as every other car out there.





The Mustangs SRA has been a detriment to both the Mustang and Ford in general. It's been reported that the Mustang's SRA, due to limited part sharing, has actually cost Ford more per car than using an IRS would have. It is also a big reason why any notion of other RWD Ford cars being sold in the US market have fallen through.

There is a reason why the Mustang is the ONLY SRA car sold in the US that isn't a truck. If these cars are going to be successful in the marketplace they are going to have to be built for mass appeal, and sold to people who occasionally drive off a dragstrip around such road challenges as corners, and worse, over road hazards known as bumps. I understand why some want to keep it old school for drag racing and modding purposes, but at the same time, you have to realize that if these cars don't keep up with the rest of the automotive world technology wise, they may end up going out of production all together, just like the 4th gen Camaro did.

So what would you rather have, IRS and DOHC cars in prodction, or SRA and pushrod cars out of production?

The Camaro's Mpg is a result of weight, not pushrod tech. If the Camaro was 3500lbs it would get as good or better mpg than the smaller displacement DOHC Coyote motor. The Corvette has no problem with mpg and my bolt on 4th gen with a automatic trans got 28mpg. I know of some Vette owners getting above 30mpg with over 400RWHP. All it would take for the LS3 motor to get better mpg in the Camaro is less weight. I think in the future the gen V motor will have direct injection and VVT and that will make it very productive even for a pushrod motor. Put the new gen V motor with direct injection and VVT in 3200-3500lb F and Y bodies and you will see a major improvement in MPG.

[thebrander]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

The Camaro's Mpg is a result of weight, not pushrod tech. If the Camaro was 3500lbs it would get as good or better mpg than the smaller displacement DOHC Coyote motor. The Corvette has no problem with mpg and my bolt on 4th gen with a automatic trans got 28mpg. I know of some Vette owners getting above 30mpg with over 400RWHP. All it would take for the LS3 motor to get better mpg in the Camaro is less weight. I think in the future the gen V motor will have direct injection and VVT and that will make it very productive even for a pushrod motor. Put the new gen V motor with direct injection and VVT in 3200-3500lb F and Y bodies and you will see a major improvement in MPG.

+1

I've spent countless hours cruising with my LS7 getting over 30 mpg. I still don't understand why the smaller, lighter, and more powerful "low tech" LS engines get bashed. Good engineering satisfies design requirements, not "style preferences" (i.e. how impressively complex you can make the system).

[VetteMaro]

Originally Posted by Z/28orSs

so it took 80 pages to tell us that we have more mustang owners on a CAMARO forum than a mustang forum

LoL, im sure thats not the case

[VetteMaro]

Originally Posted by chain777

Well, you didn't really get the whole story.

First, not every 5.0 is going to have the badge. The CS (California special), doesn't have the 5.0 badge.

Also, this model doesn't have fogs in the grill. They're small, and in the lower fascia. They actually look similar the V6 models.

And as mentioned, they all have dual exhaust.

And honestly, unless you're heavily modded, I wouldn't mess with any of the 2011's. It will be ugly.


*don't know what's up with the quote, can't seem to get it to work.

This is simply put, not true.

Watch Livernois's video of their shop's 5.0 vs L99. 5.0 was stock except for some slight suspension work (im not sure, i could be wrong), L99 was tuned. It was a VERY close race in the 1/4, with a small mph advantage to the 5.0

[VetteMaro]

Originally Posted by Camaro_h

Today, a tuned 2010 SS with CAI (my friend's) raced a 2010 mustang Shelby... results.... Camaro: Winner!

The '11 is totally different beast than the '10 GT (5.0 412hp vs 4.6 315hp). It would be embarrasing if he didn't win.

Now, if you meant that he raced a shelby GT500, then something doesn't sound right, especially since your friend is very lightly modded.

[JonMan503]

lol true that i dont understand why we have some many mustang owners and lovers on our forum

[JonMan503]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I am sure you can't.

haha what is that supposed to mean!?

[alrox]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

If the Camaro was 3500lbs it would get as good or better mpg than the smaller displacement DOHC Coyote motor.

No it wouldn't. The LS3 Corvette gets worse MPG in the EPA cycle than the 5.0.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Camaro_h

Today, a tuned 2010 SS with CAI (my friend's) raced a 2010 mustang Shelby... results.... Camaro: Winner!

The only Shelby mustang I know of on the street right now is the GT500.

A tune and a CAI is not enough for a 5th gen to keep up with a properly driven GT500.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by VetteMaro

This is simply put, not true.

Watch Livernois's video of their shop's 5.0 vs L99. 5.0 was stock except for some slight suspension work (im not sure, i could be wrong), L99 was tuned. It was a VERY close race in the 1/4, with a small mph advantage to the 5.0

He has an LT. We're talking V6's here.

[Bob Cosby]

Based on the data, the 5.0 is probably a bit more efficient in regards to MPG than the LS3, but it is pretty much impossible to say how much, because the motors are used in different chassis' at different weights with different drivelines and different gearing. It could very well be that the Mustang's driveline is more efficient than the GM cars, making at least some of the difference. In the end though, I think they are pretty close in efficiency (referencing MPG).

Here is the actual data from fueleconomy.gov.

A6 Mustang: 18/25/21
A6 Camaro: 16/24/19
A6 Corvette: 15/25/18
M6 Mustang: 17/26/20
M6 Camaro: 16/25/19
M6 Corvette: 16/26/19

[Bob Cosby]

Some of us *may* be enthusiasts that happen to currently own a Mustang....

[GTAHVIT]

DOHC motors are generally more fuel efficient. And lets not forget the LS3 is 6.2 L.... More displacement = more fuel....

I'm pretty impressed that with over a liter more displacement we are even close to the 5.0 in MPG...