Mustang almost revealed

[camaro5]

This is not a happy place...

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by nUcLeArEnVoY

And I'll zoom past the both of you with my Camaro.

Now put a sock in it. :P

[syr74]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

Would like to see some proff on that statement from what I heared the 5.0 DI will definitely be avaliable in the 2011 model year if not sooner

My statement is all the proof you are going to get. The 5.0L DI may debut sometime during the 2010MY but that is unlikely right now. The 5.0L DI is not the 400+hp version which will be going into the 2011 Mustang GT, that engine will use PFI. This info is 100% accurate, what you choose to do with it is up to you.

[crazz28]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

The 2008 Mustang GT Premium curb weight is 3540 lbs with an automatic and 3356 lbs with a manual. Add a person to that because curb weight doesn't include a driver. Add to that the weight of all those stickers that you're sure to get when you buy your Mustang GT Special Ultimate Pink Ribbon Pro-America Prostate Cancer 427 Race California Heritage Extra Edition.

WHAT!!! 427!!! That thing must be amazazing!!!
Wait......no......that's just another one of those "implied performance engine but it really just has a different sticker and somebodies signature" mustangs isn't it?.

Anyways......continue on

[Hesh]

What we choose to do is wail till it is actually released by Ford instead of someone on the internet spouting numbers. Same thing that happened here while waiting for all the "correct" information about the Camaro to come out.

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by Hesh

What we choose to do is wail till it is actually released by Ford instead of someone on the internet spouting numbers. Same thing that happened here while waiting for all the "correct" information about the Camaro to come out.

You are correct no one knows for shure the HP of the 5.0 or if it will be DIRECT INJECTED right away , and when it will be released until it's OFFICIAL FROM FORD we are all just guessing , I think though there is enough evidence on the WEB to say that the LEGENDARY 5.0 badge will be back on the GT and soon...

[gladiatoro]

CODE NAME COYOTE 5.0 QUOTE
I think this 'revised' modular may surprise many. First it's TiVCT -- Twin Independent Variable Cam Timing, a proven Ford tech on Ford-Europe DOHC I-4s but never before built into a Ford DOHC V8 to my knowledge. TiVCT provides much broader and flatter torque curves, more effective anti-detonation management, and better efficiency than a typical NA engine would otherwise be capable of.

I think the StangNet comment on compression is valid for a conventional engine but might not be as much of a problem on a TiVCT engine since independently variable intake and exhaust cams should permit programming for high static compression ratios with better detonation control. So additional boost, done right, should not be a problem, imo. This is new stuff! Too bad it's not also Direct Injection (DI) -- or at least there's no mention of it -- since DI would greatly improve the ability to manage detonation for two reasons: 1) there's no fuel in the cylinder during compression (it's injected at the last instant) and 2) DI directly cools the combustion chamber just when detonation would otherwise be likely to occur (at max compression). I'm sure DI is coming but maybe not just yet. Still 400HP in a volume-build 5.0 TiVCT DOHC V8 in the GT will be one smokin' value!!!

There are so many 5.0 variations recently (and over the years) that you need a playbill to keep 'em straight:

-There's the old (and Boss redux version) of the 5.0 pushrod SBFs that were highly oversquare (4.0"bore 3.0"stroke).
-There's the FR500C modular DOHC 5.0 "cammer" which uses Ford spray-bore metalurgy liner technology to get from the effectively square 4.6 (3.552 bore x 3.543 stroke) to 5.0 via bore alone yielding a slightly oversquare engine that likes to rev a bit freer.
-Then there's the PJ Saleen which, although Saleen hones the cylinders for truness, actually gets to 5.0 with all stroke, i.e. it winds up a little under-square.
-My understanding is that the Coyote is different than all the predecessors: a revised and strengthened roughly 'square' design like the 4.6 but using thinner conventional cylinder liners (2.5mm vs the 4.6's 4.0mm) to increase bore about .10" and also slightly longer sleeve to accommodate about .10" stroke increase yielding approx a 3.65" x 3.63" B/S.

These were very likely the 2.5mm-liner alloy blocks I spied on the Romeo volume floor -- though they're to be produced at Windsor according to StangNet and that's consistent with what I've heard too.

How cool is this? A volume-build 5.0L TiVCT DOHC V8 with 400HP flatter torque curve, better mileage (11:1 comp. and TiVCT should be good for a couple mpg), and carrying a modest GT price tag is huge, imo!!! And at 3500 lbs it will kick Camaro's 6.2/430HP and Challenger's 6.2/475HP fat butts from NY to LA! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hysterical.gif) (...and there's always the GT500 for serious fun which likely get's a tweak for '10MY as well).

The 5.0 Coyote in the GT could be the best performance value in a very long time -- I bet Ford will have to limit the build-mix because these puppies are going to sell!!! I strongly suspect it will also be a multi-octane engine happily running on a default of 87 octane since Ford is committed to all enignes getting the new ECU programming asap ...and with TiVCT it just makes that much more sense, imo.

Will be interesting to see exactly what internals Ford stuffs in the Coyote. I suspect the GT will cracked-powder rods, aluminum hypereutectics and beefier cast crank. However, a Romeo special production-blueprinted version with forged internals might make for a sweet BOSS SE, don't you think? ...if Ford ever actually does one! Still, the '10MY Coyote GT sure sounds like the poor-man's BOSS many have been hoping for!

SWEET

[syr74]

Originally Posted by Hesh

What we choose to do is wail till it is actually released by Ford instead of someone on the internet spouting numbers. Same thing that happened here while waiting for all the "correct" information about the Camaro to come out.

More power to you, but you not knowing doesn't mean others don't. Like I said, the info is 100% accurate....when the 2011 GT debuts and proves all of this to be true we can all have a laugh and chalk it up to me being a really good guesser.

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

You are correct no one knows for shure the HP of the 5.0 or if it will be DIRECT INJECTED right away , and when it will be released until it's OFFICIAL FROM FORD we are all just guessing , I think though there is enough evidence on the WEB to say that the LEGENDARY 5.0 badge will be back on the GT and soon...

You are correct in every way but for a couple. We don't yet know the exact final hp rating of the engine, but we do know that it is over 400hp. We also know that the direct injection version is not the version that will be debuting in the 2011 Mustang GT, all other reasons for that versions absence aside Ford's DI setup for this engine simply wont be ready in time.

And don't assume what you have seen on the net is all that there is. Some folks know stuff that hasn't yet been divulged publically for various reasons. There are still surprises in store.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

CODE NAME COYOTE 5.0 QUOTE
I think this 'revised' modular may surprise many. First it's TiVCT -- Twin Independent Variable Cam Timing, a proven Ford tech on Ford-Europe DOHC I-4s but never before built into a Ford DOHC V8 to my knowledge. TiVCT provides much broader and flatter torque curves, more effective anti-detonation management, and better efficiency than a typical NA engine would otherwise be capable of.

The OP isn't wrong, but he isn't all right either and is giving too much credit to FOE here. (like that has never happened before) The 5.0L will enjoy a surprisingly good torque curve partially because of the independent VVT he mentions above and partially because of the roller finger camshaft design Ford has been using here in North America for quite some time. Both go a long way toward imprvoing torque delivery, together they go that much further.

[gladiatoro]

MORE EVIDENCE OF THE COYOTE 5.0
"I just got back from a Ford parts and service meeting last night in Waco. It was sponsored by ford's Field Service Engineer program. It was pretty freakin' cool. During the course of the meeting, they had a slide show for upcoming new platforms for vehicles. One in particular caught my eye. it was for the 2011 MY Mustang GT. The confirmed motor in this thing is Called the "coyote" motor.
The thing is, its a BMF. It is the 5.0 TiVCT 32v motor. Stock, the thing puts out 400 hp, and 375 tq. It has 11:1 compression, and a redline of 7000 rpm. This IS confirmed to be in that car. They also had pictures of this thing crammed into the engine bay. Keep in mind, that motor will take the place of the current 3v 4.6 281's. Ford is FINNALY phazing that motor out.
The other motor that they are putting on the assembly line, is the 6.2 Boss V8. There is no current platform for this motor, but it is confirmed that it will not go into a f series truck. It very well could end up being a strictly SVT motor for a cobra. The 6.2 has a very low compression ratio, and dual sparkplugs per cylinder. The horsepower in for that motor is 375hp, and 410 tq. seems perfect for a blown, or turbo application.
Either way, the next few years will be pretty exciting!"

7000 RPM REDLINE WOW

[syr74]

Originally Posted by gladiatoro

MORE EVIDENCE OF THE COYOTE 5.0
"I just got back from a Ford parts and service meeting last night in Waco. It was sponsored by ford's Field Service Engineer program. It was pretty freakin' cool. During the course of the meeting, they had a slide show for upcoming new platforms for vehicles. One in particular caught my eye. it was for the 2011 MY Mustang GT. The confirmed motor in this thing is Called the "coyote" motor.

The thing is, its a BMF. It is the 5.0 TiVCT 32v motor. Stock, the thing puts out 400 hp, and 375 tq. It has 11:1 compression, and a redline of 7000 rpm. This IS confirmed to be in that car. They also had pictures of this thing crammed into the engine bay. Keep in mind, that motor will take the place of the current 3v 4.6 281's. Ford is FINNALY phazing that motor out.

The other motor that they are putting on the assembly line, is the 6.2 Boss V8. There is no current platform for this motor, but it is confirmed that it will not go into a f series truck. It very well could end up being a strictly SVT motor for a cobra. The 6.2 has a very low compression ratio, and dual sparkplugs per cylinder. The horsepower in for that motor is 375hp, and 410 tq. seems perfect for a blown, or turbo application.
Either way, the next few years will be pretty exciting!"

This info is not entirely correct. The 6.2L wont be used in the F150, but it will be used in the F Series SD trucks...at least initially.

Other issues? The 4.6L 3v is being phased out but not as quickly as this info would tend to suggest.

[gladiatoro]

Originally Posted by syr74

This info is not entirely correct. The 6.2L wont be used in the F150, but it will be used in the F Series SD trucks...at least initially.

Other issues? The 4.6L 3v is being phased out but not as quickly as this info would tend to suggest.

Do you work for Ford??? thanks for the info

[BowtieGuy]

Originally Posted by syr74

This info is not entirely correct. The 6.2L wont be used in the F150, but it will be used in the F Series SD trucks...at least initially.

Other issues? The 4.6L 3v is being phased out but not as quickly as this info would tend to suggest.

Exactly. The 4.6L is gonna be around a bit longer. People can tote the 5.slow all day, but they aren't going to see it for another year and a half, or more depending on Ford. Oh, and only 360-370 lb. ft. of torque? Sounds to me like the main reason the Mustang is going to get walked all over.

Originally Posted by Georgie

it won't have GDI when its released, it will get GDI and a possible turbo later. its 400 HP w/o GDI, plus its a DOHC engine, the competition is still OHV

That competition is still kicking the ass of DOHC too. GM has DI V8's (OHV mind you) in the works too, don't you worry.

[The_Blur]

The rumor speculation in this thread is on par with the speculation on the Z28 or a supercharged Camaro elsewhere on these boards.