The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by VetteMaro

So they got these new numbers with what mods exactly?

Suspension work, tune, and tires only?

numbers!

This is what they said about the mods. I must reference this by saying they were directly asked about tuning and suspension mods.

Not many changes tuning wise, still testing! Only suspension changes done is our ultimate suspension kit - upper and lower control arms, panhard bar and torque box braces! No more wheel hop!

They possibly could have done exhaust work but I don't think they have yet.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by 06x6spdGTO

IMO the Vtec comment was intened more for the ford 2011 5.0's torque curve and the fact it has 4 cams with 4 cam gears 32 valves and chain driven! a little more Vtec than your pushrod L99's IMO. Maybe the fact that all of you Ford fans have some kind of excuess everytime GM wins. But its just a joke, dont take it too personal Blue oval boys.

why would anyone take anything you say personal? you give your comments too much credit.

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I make your same argument all the time. The roll eyes meant sarcasm mayne.

I guess I didn't catch that.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I don't understand this at all....

As much as I am a musclecar fan I had a hard time paying $40K for a Camaro. Especially since I payed around $26K for a brand new SS in 1998. The only reason I dropped the money is because I knew these next couple years would be the last chance to get a large displacement rear wheel drive push rod V-8. Once the pushrod V-8's are gone musclecars are dead.

[Unfair]

just saw this

Evolution Performance, Inc. 12.49@112.55mph 1.80 60 ft.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Evolut...2950647?ref=mf

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

As much as I am a musclecar fan I had a hard time paying $40K for a Camaro. Especially since I payed around $26K for a brand new SS in 1998. The only reason I dropped the money is because I knew these next couple years would be the last chance to get a large displacement rear wheel drive push rod V-8. Once the pushrod V-8's are gone musclecars are dead.

wow.

[Zeus]

Wow, with the Mustang GT only capable of 13.2, and EVERY one of you guys running better than 12.6 in the Camaro, I'd be EMBARRASSED to loose to one... wouldn't you???

[mustangman99]

Okay so all I've gathered from the arguments on here is that without the 3.73's and performance tires, the 2011 Mustang GT is not as fast in the 1/4 mile as a 2010/2011 Camaro. Note the 2011 because all of you Chevy boys who were crying "Wait until the 2011 comes out, its not fair". Well now the only things Chevy has added are an HUD setup (cool?) and Synergy Green (<-WTF?).

Besides these neat-o features that all you were pining about they have added NOTHING IN THE WAY OF INCREASING PERFORMANCE.

That being said, the base 2011 GT may be a bit slower without the tires and gears, however let us not forget that the bast GT is still CHEAPER than a Camaro 1SS. Therefore, the GT with the added 3.73 gears option is about the same price.

On top of that, if you do Opt for the $2K Brembo and performance tire and wheel option, the performance numbers look more like those from Germany, and by that I mean the M3. The 2011 GT pulls a 0.97g on the skidpad, and does 60-0 braking in just 104 feet. Those numbers are actually spot on with an M3.

Wait did anyone see the 2010 Camaro putting up those kinds of braking and handling numbers? NO, NO THEY DIDN'T.

Fact of the matter is that Ford flat out built a better car.

1) The V6 has a world class motor in it, the 3.7L Duratec.
2) The engineers at Ford have made a tremendous motor in the 5.0L. It has incredible volumetric efficiency, and has the highest HP per liter of any of its competitors.
3) The Mustang easily has the nicest interior of any of its competitors.
4) The options list is incredible. You can design any style that fits your budget or taste.

5) The dynamics of the car as a whole are amazing. You get a vehicle that has excellent quality fit and finish, a high level of engineering, and performance to boot. It handles well, it's comfortable, it's fast, and looks good. The 2011 Mustang really is a great package from the V6 to the GT.

You all may love your Camaro, but styling aside, if each and every one of you went out and test drove a 2011 GT or even a V6, you would all be taken by surprise at how nice of an automobile it really is.

SO to conclude, the Camaro may be faster by a few tenths in econo-trim, but as an overall vehicle, the 2011 Mustang is a better car. Its not ONLY performance, or ONLY styling, or ONLY build quality. Its all these things put together in a well packaged automobile that make the Mustang the better car.

If you want a slightly-faster-in-a-straight-line-when-you-compare-base-to-base-trim-levels car, buy the Camaro.

If you want the better of the two cars buy the Mustang.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Okay so all I've gathered from the arguments on here is that without the 3.73's and performance tires, the 2011 Mustang GT is not as fast in the 1/4 mile as a 2010/2011 Camaro. Note the 2011 because all of you Chevy boys who were crying "Wait until the 2011 comes out, its not fair". Well now the only things Chevy has added are an HUD setup (cool?) and Synergy Green (<-WTF?).

Besides these neat-o features that all you were pining about they have added NOTHING IN THE WAY OF INCREASING PERFORMANCE.

That being said, the base 2011 GT may be a bit slower without the tires and gears, however let us not forget that the bast GT is still CHEAPER than a Camaro 1SS. Therefore, the GT with the added 3.73 gears option is about the same price.

On top of that, if you do Opt for the $2K Brembo and performance tire and wheel option, the performance numbers look more like those from Germany, and by that I mean the M3. The 2011 GT pulls a 0.97g on the skidpad, and does 60-0 braking in just 104 feet. Those numbers are actually spot on with an M3.

Wait did anyone see the 2010 Camaro putting up those kinds of braking and handling numbers? NO, NO THEY DIDN'T.

Fact of the matter is that Ford flat out built a better car.

1) The V6 has a world class motor in it, the 3.7L Duratec.
2) The engineers at Ford have made a tremendous motor in the 5.0L. It has incredible volumetric efficiency, and has the highest HP per liter of any of its competitors.
3) The Mustang easily has the nicest interior of any of its competitors.
4) The options list is incredible. You can design any style that fits your budget or taste.

5) The dynamics of the car as a whole are amazing. You get a vehicle that has excellent quality fit and finish, a high level of engineering, and performance to boot. It handles well, it's comfortable, it's fast, and looks good. The 2011 Mustang really is a great package from the V6 to the GT.

You all may love your Camaro, but styling aside, if each and every one of you went out and test drove a 2011 GT or even a V6, you would all be taken by surprise at how nice of an automobile it really is.

SO to conclude, the Camaro may be faster by a few tenths in econo-trim, but as an overall vehicle, the 2011 Mustang is a better car. Its not ONLY performance, or ONLY styling, or ONLY build quality. Its all these things put together in a well packaged automobile that make the Mustang the better car.

If you want a slightly-faster-in-a-straight-line-when-you-compare-base-to-base-trim-levels car, buy the Camaro.

If you want the better of the two cars buy the Mustang.

spoken like a true fan boy.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

Okay so all I've gathered from the arguments on here is that without the 3.73's and performance tires, the 2011 Mustang GT is not as fast in the 1/4 mile as a 2010/2011 Camaro. Note the 2011 because all of you Chevy boys who were crying "Wait until the 2011 comes out, its not fair". Well now the only things Chevy has added are an HUD setup (cool?) and Synergy Green (<-WTF?).

Besides these neat-o features that all you were pining about they have added NOTHING IN THE WAY OF INCREASING PERFORMANCE.

That being said, the base 2011 GT may be a bit slower without the tires and gears, however let us not forget that the bast GT is still CHEAPER than a Camaro 1SS. Therefore, the GT with the added 3.73 gears option is about the same price.

On top of that, if you do Opt for the $2K Brembo and performance tire and wheel option, the performance numbers look more like those from Germany, and by that I mean the M3. The 2011 GT pulls a 0.97g on the skidpad, and does 60-0 braking in just 104 feet. Those numbers are actually spot on with an M3.

Wait did anyone see the 2010 Camaro putting up those kinds of braking and handling numbers? NO, NO THEY DIDN'T.

Fact of the matter is that Ford flat out built a better car.

1) The V6 has a world class motor in it, the 3.7L Duratec.
2) The engineers at Ford have made a tremendous motor in the 5.0L. It has incredible volumetric efficiency, and has the highest HP per liter of any of its competitors.
3) The Mustang easily has the nicest interior of any of its competitors.
4) The options list is incredible. You can design any style that fits your budget or taste.

5) The dynamics of the car as a whole are amazing. You get a vehicle that has excellent quality fit and finish, a high level of engineering, and performance to boot. It handles well, it's comfortable, it's fast, and looks good. The 2011 Mustang really is a great package from the V6 to the GT.

You all may love your Camaro, but styling aside, if each and every one of you went out and test drove a 2011 GT or even a V6, you would all be taken by surprise at how nice of an automobile it really is.

SO to conclude, the Camaro may be faster by a few tenths in econo-trim, but as an overall vehicle, the 2011 Mustang is a better car. Its not ONLY performance, or ONLY styling, or ONLY build quality. Its all these things put together in a well packaged automobile that make the Mustang the better car.

If you want a slightly-faster-in-a-straight-line-when-you-compare-base-to-base-trim-levels car, buy the Camaro.

If you want the better of the two cars buy the Mustang.

I feel styling (looks) far out weigh the other factors. The GT delivers a nice package, but I just flat out don't like the way the car looks. That's huge in my decision about a car being a "good" or "bad".

To me the difference (visually styling/curb appeal) between the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS are night and day.

[mustangman99]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I feel styling (looks) far out weigh the other factors. The GT delivers a nice package, but I just flat out don't like the way the car looks. That's huge in my decision about a car being a "good" or "bad".

To me the difference (visually styling/curb appeal) between the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS are night and day.

So then performance really doesn't matter? Whenever its one thing the other doesn't matter, so if the Camaro looked like a turd on wheels, but it ran an 11 second quarter mile, then the styling wouldn't matter?

So then if the Camaro looked like something straight out of Pininfarina Design, but had a 3 cylinder Geo Metro motor, then performance wouldn't matter right?

You Camaro fans are so fickle, always bending and twisting things to sway the Camaro into some kind of importance.

Look fact of the matter is, to most people, even magazine editors, the Mustang is the better looking of the two.

And like I said before its the better engineered car, and is better as an overall package.

9 million Mustang owners aren't wrong, and I think you will see that when the V6 sales numbers come out next year.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

You Camaro fans are so fickle, always bending and twisting things to sway the Camaro into some kind of importance.

maybe all of us fickle Camaor OWNERS should just start visiting your Mustang forums en masse and start sh@ting on your preferred rides.

Give me a break. Camaro outsold Mustang every month since it came out. Deal with it. I doubt these new (outstanding) Mustang motors will do little to sway the consumers.

[squatin0n18s]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

So then performance really doesn't matter? Whenever its one thing the other doesn't matter, so if the Camaro looked like a turd on wheels, but it ran an 11 second quarter mile, then the styling wouldn't matter?

So then if the Camaro looked like something straight out of Pininfarina Design, but had a 3 cylinder Geo Metro motor, then performance wouldn't matter right?

You Camaro fans are so fickle, always bending and twisting things to sway the Camaro into some kind of importance.

Look fact of the matter is, to most people, even magazine editors, the Mustang is the better looking of the two.

And like I said before its the better engineered car, and is better as an overall package.

9 million Mustang owners aren't wrong, and I think you will see that when the V6 sales numbers come out next year.

Hey dude, i speak for myself here, performance does matter to me! That being said, the camaro doesn't have a 3 cylinder motor, it has a 6.2L! And it also looks sooooo much better than the rustang (in my opinion the new mustang is definately the ugliest of the three american muscles) So the performance that is *if not better, its gotta be close AND the good looks is what would make me choose a camaro over the rustang ANY day. i wouldnt really even care if the mustang could get into the 11's stock....when i'd see one id still wanna throw up last nights dinner...and i wouldnt wanna be seen in something like that! The fact that you could even say the mustang is the better looking of the 2 just makes me laugh(literally) i mean come on try looking at their asses and not think "why?"
ANOTHER thing, when i test drove the 2010 mustang, every bump in the road i felt like i was gonna have bones broken from the jarring, and when i drove the camaro, it was a whole lot smoother (not the smoothest by ANY means) and thats another thing that matters to me. Ride comfort. Like other people have said not everyone is gonna be racing...i'd pick a better looking, better riding car that was just a few tenths slower ANY day....as far as interior i really reallly reallllllllyy could not care less about it...all i need is a seat, steering wheel, and peddles....i just cant bring myself to care about the rest of the inside...maybe i'm weird....but yeah just my 2 cents...and when did you learn to tell the future i really would like that talent!! i'd love to be able to tell that the v6 rustang is just gonna dominate the sales with the V6 models next year....gotta hand it to ya rustangman, that's a pretty impressive talent

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by mustangman99

So then performance really doesn't matter? Whenever its one thing the other doesn't matter, so if the Camaro looked like a turd on wheels, but it ran an 11 second quarter mile, then the styling wouldn't matter?

So then if the Camaro looked like something straight out of Pininfarina Design, but had a 3 cylinder Geo Metro motor, then performance wouldn't matter right?

You Camaro fans are so fickle, always bending and twisting things to sway the Camaro into some kind of importance.

Look fact of the matter is, to most people, even magazine editors, the Mustang is the better looking of the two.

And like I said before its the better engineered car, and is better as an overall package.

9 million Mustang owners aren't wrong, and I think you will see that when the V6 sales numbers come out next year.

Dude, you don't like what is being said on OUR Camaro forum, then don't let the door hit you in the ass. Why is it so many Mustang nut jobs find they have to come on here and defend the car. I personally like both cars and enjoy talking about the strengths and weaknesses of both, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna listen to people bash our cars. You wanna discuss fine, you wanna bash, see ya!!!!!!!!!!!!