The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by DanielleAnne

You know, that is a pretty impressive race, and yeah, the Mustang is a nice car with some pretty significant hp...however, they had to BUILD a car to compete with the Camaro, because the GT wasnt cutting it...and the higher perf cars also had a higher pricetag. Props to Ford for the 5.0....but damn it feels good to have those Mustang drivers eat it again! YEAAAH BABY!

i believe pricing on the 2011's with the new HUD havent been set by GM yet and the Mustang definately starts at a lower price. the brakes and gears brings the Mustang at roughly the same range as the Camaro. I expect once people learn how to launch the new GT (its aggressive transmission gearing should make it relatively difficult with the small stock tires but great with real tires) it will get better ET's with equal or slightly faster trap speeds.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

did you guys see the trap speed MPH on the 6 cylinder Mustang?? 104MPH wow thats knocking on 400hp v8 L99 territory (most of the MPH's on the "1/4 mile list" are in the 105MPH range for L99's)

The L99 A6 actually makes more torque than the LS3 at lower rpms. That along with its gearing gets it moving quickly off the line. But the L99 lacks to top end power of the LS3.

5. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)
7. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
8. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
17. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
20. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)
22. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
25. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
29. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
30. DrumDawg - 13.39 @ 105.90 mph, (L99, A6)

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

The L99 A6 actually makes more torque than the LS3 at lower rpms. That along with its gearing gets it moving quickly off the line. But the L99 lacks to top end power of the LS3.

5. 8secpumpgasdad - 12.86 @ 108.70 mph, (L99, A6)
7. 8ty8ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6)
8. 1stGM - 12.98 @ 107. 34 mph, (L99, A6)
17. acatlover13 - 13.20 @ 105.99 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
20. Grand pa - 13.27 @ 100.72 mph, (L99 A6)
22. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
25. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
29. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
30. DrumDawg - 13.39 @ 105.90 mph, (L99, A6)

26 horsepower will do that to you. plus the 50-100 extra lbs. and a bit more drivetrain losses.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

What are you talking about?

You are doing the SAME EXACT THING by only mentioning the motor trend review. Why is that more important? Because it favors the mustang?

Car and Driver and also Inside line both had the camaro faster. Only motor Trend ran the 12.7.

This has no significance? Give me a break.

Only Motor Trend tested a car equipped with the 3.73:1 axle package and the Brembo brake package, the latter of which brings shorter, stickier tires that by all appearances changes 1/4 mile times. (as it should)

No Camaro has run a 12.7 second 1/4 mile in any auto rag and, so far as I can tell, only two or three private owners have ever claimed to meet or beat that time. Unless you are somehow going to argue that the world has conspired against suitable conditions for a best effort 1/4 mile time for the Camaro SS in all but two or three instances the 12.7 second 1/4 mile issue remains unresolved.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by ssump29

This is only what we know of. They are plently running great times that aren't on this site...

Where I race I have be seeing stock SS's run 12.7 on a constant basis and I have also seen stock 2010 GT's running 13 flat and 13.1, but I know they aren't on these forums.. So be careful how you state things as facts.. Just let it be known that's as far as YOU know.

Stock SS Camaros regularly running 12.7's?

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

did you guys see the trap speed MPH on the 6 cylinder Mustang?? 104MPH wow thats knocking on 400hp v8 L99 territory (most of the MPH's on the "1/4 mile list" are in the 105MPH range for L99's)

Yes I did see the 104mph I was like WOW. 104mph in the V6 = .

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by syr74

Only Motor Trend tested a car equipped with the 3.73:1 axle package and the Brembo brake package, the latter of which brings shorter, stickier tires that by all appearances changes 1/4 mile times. (as it should)

No Camaro has run a 12.7 second 1/4 mile in any auto rag and, so far as I can tell, only two or three private owners have ever claimed to meet or beat that time. Unless you are somehow going to argue that the world has conspired against suitable conditions for a best effort 1/4 mile time for the Camaro SS in all but two or three instances the 12.7 second 1/4 mile issue remains unresolved.

Sorry Bud try again. Popular Mechanics tested a 3.73 brembo packaged GT:

GT Premium adds a premier two-tone interior with red leather, the security and comfort packages, rearview camera, Brembo brake package and a 3.73 axle ratio. As tested, the GT topped out at $39,550, including the destination and delivery charges.
Delivering power from either engine to the rear wheels is a choice of six-speed manual or six-speed automatic gearbox. (Sorry, no paddle shifters.)


The Drive
Equipped with the wonderfully precise short-throw manual shifter, the V8 will get you from zero to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds, and the V6 will do it in 5.5. Both will do a quarter mile in the 13-second range. Despite the presence of Brembo brakes, the GT still took an extra 4 feet to slow from 60 mph compared to the V6 car, due to the GT's 3605-lb. curb weight, which is approximately 150 lbs heavier.

[syr74]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Sorry Bud try again. Popular Mechanics tested a 3.73 brembo packaged GT:

GT Premium adds a premier two-tone interior with red leather, the security and comfort packages, rearview camera, Brembo brake package and a 3.73 axle ratio. As tested, the GT topped out at $39,550, including the destination and delivery charges.
Delivering power from either engine to the rear wheels is a choice of six-speed manual or six-speed automatic gearbox. (Sorry, no paddle shifters.)


The Drive
Equipped with the wonderfully precise short-throw manual shifter, the V8 will get you from zero to 60 mph in 4.9 seconds, and the V6 will do it in 5.5. Both will do a quarter mile in the 13-second range. Despite the presence of Brembo brakes, the GT still took an extra 4 feet to slow from 60 mph compared to the V6 car, due to the GT's 3605-lb. curb weight, which is approximately 150 lbs heavier.

No need to apologize, I'll readily admit that I don't look to PM for info on cars.

That said, the sour grapes on this forum are amazing. Let me offer a helping hand, that 12.7 second 1/4 mile run wont go away no matter the amount of wishing that takes place in this forum.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by syr74

No need to apologize, I'll readily admit that I don't look to PM for info on cars.

That said, the sour grapes on this forum are amazing. Let me offer a helping hand, that 12.7 second 1/4 mile run wont go away no matter the amount of wishing that takes place in this forum.

It is becoming more and more suspect with every other publication that is 3, 4 or 5 tenths off from it. I am not saying they didn't run it, just seems a little fishy that there is such a gap between that run and all the other publications. May have had a "special" tune, which makes a lot of sense considering it supposedly dynoed around like 435hp. Seems a little stupid to underrate it at 412 when the SS and SRT8 at 426.

As for your jab at PM, it is a repuatable magazine. As far as I know they have never rated a Miata over a ZR-1 vette.

[jnm2003]

Originally Posted by ssump29

EXACTLY. Give both cars credit, from what I have seen so far a camaro can get as low as 12.5 while the limited not available 11 GT can get down to 12.7, which in my mind says it can get lower. There really is no argument here but yet a couple people here still bicker.

But like you said the question will be what can YOU the driver run not what someone else is running. I expect to see average drivers and all the benchracers to not even come close to times like this, otherwise they wouldn't be bickering because they would know what they can do and wouldn't need to defend other drivers who live for others results.

I DEFINITELY give both cars credit!! I love my 2010 SS! I dont care as much for buying the first year of new production camaros when gm designed them while they were going bankrupt! Theres alot on this car that i think they halfassed! But overall I wouldnt trade it for anything! Ford has done awesome with their mustang productions every year and i give them way more credit!

BUT i do give both of them credit! I have at least 10 friends with mustangs and a few that have 2010s! With a few bolt ons and radials two of them run low 12s high 11s. With a little nitrous one of them run 11.0 to 11.2 all day long but yea i know that is with NITROUS. BUT anyways they are a couple of the fastest bolt on street cars at the street races down here and at the track. I know i wont line up to either one of them and i run 12.64 with a Few bolt ons.
My SS went 12.94 @ 110 at one track in Louisiana and 12.82 110 at another ALMOST bone stock with only axle back borla mufflers. Thats what 2 hp gain if u argue it.. which i dont think it was any hp! and maybe 10 lbs lighter. I KNOW that all the times ive been to either track down here i havnt seen a stock mustang (my friends or others) run beat a 12.90.
Another friend ran 12.65 down here with his SS BONE STOCK. SO MUSTANG LOVERS quit hating! I appreciate both cars and seen alot of both run at the track. So im comparing BOTH mustangs and camaros, on the SAME tracks, same altitude, same drivers run both cars. Same outcome with the mustangs being low 13s stock.
Y even bicker over a post about someones ratings of both cars and especially a mustang lover on a camaro forum? Y even waste ur time. I feel like i wasted mine typing this but i got bored. Not bored enough to go to mustang forums runnin my mouth!

[Sax1031]

I am not going to discount the fact that the one Motor Trend tested could have had an aggressive tune but the differences in times could be many different factors and probably mainly driver ability.

Hell you have a 1 second difference in times for the GT500. I expect even with the brembo brake package the mustang is still going to be tricky to launch.

I know with the Edmunds test and the all seasons they said they had to short shift and had good wheel spin in the 2-3 and 3-4 shift. I am sure that hurt the times and mph decently.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I am not going to discount the fact that the one Motor Trend tested could have had an aggressive tune but the differences in times could be many different factors and probably mainly driver ability.

Hell you have a 1 second difference in times for the GT500. I expect even with the brembo brake package the mustang is still going to be tricky to launch.

I know with the Edmunds test and the all seasons they said they had to short shift and had good wheel spin in the 2-3 and 3-4 shift. I am sure that hurt the times and mph decently.

I am glad we agree. I am just not sure that the drivers at MT are that much better than everyone else.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

I am glad we agree. I am just not sure that the drivers at MT are that much better than everyone else.

I am just waiting to see Evan Smith test one of the 2011 GTs. Preferably one with just the gear option and brembo package.

And it is really hard to give someone the keys to a new car they don't have much driving time in and ask them to go out and try acceleration tests in the car.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

I am just waiting to see Evan Smith test one of the 2011 GTs. Preferably one with just the gear option and brembo package.

And it is really hard to give someone the keys to a new car they don't have much driving time in and ask them to go out and try acceleration tests in the car.

They did the same thing when the SS first came out and they got the same numbers in the first tests that the magazines are getting now.