The 2011+ Mustang Thread

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by ssump29

I know I shouldn't but damn I'm going to . To add to that test the SS vs GT500 all the ford boys when their king only did a tenth better bashed the hell out of motortrend and anything else that could be said was said. Now MT is in favor and now its well thats right and whatever reason to make their point correct.

Just find it funny how one article can be treated as gold and the other is complete shit when it comes to making a valid argument. If anything after the SS/Gt500 test we shouldn't even listen to anything MT has to say.

If the article was the other way around i am sure you would be praising MT like we all did when the tests were in the camaro's favor, just because a magazine article doesn't go your way that doesn't mean it's the only way to go...

[cschmidt1956]

I didn't buy the Mustang because Ford made the decision a long time ago when they brought this Generation Mustang out to put a Truck V-6 in it, with old transmissions, and unless you wanted to go GT, there was no way to get some of the nicer stuff on the V6. Now some of that changed with time and the Pony Edition, but it was still a Truck V6 under the hood.

Now that the Mustang has some competition, Ford has decided that people want more HP and a 6 Speed in the V6. It took them 7 years to get there?

As a Former Mustang owner (71 Boss 351) I wanted another Mustang but didn't want or need the V8 this time. I waited 35 years to get another Pony Car and the Camaro and GM got my dough. I wanted something fresh and I got it, I didn't want some warmed over design from 2004 which is all the 2011 Mustang is.

[Unfair]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

First you tell me that Im assuming a lot, then in your second sentence you say "Im am sure the tune is pretty mild". LOL.

Anyways any monkey knows a dohc motor runs more efficent than an ohv motor. Theres no questioning that.

As for the suspension, the mustang is supposed to be pretty good now that the track pack parts are standard equipment. What that means is that you will probably get less improvement per dollar spent over the Camaro who everyone knows comes with some chincy sways and rides a bit too high.

As for my suspension assumption.....until a few days ago there was nothing even hinting of the 2011 camaro coming out. Silence doesnt mean they are doing nothing.

Do you expect revised heads/exhaust manifolds/cam specs to bump hp on the Camaro/Corvette? Or would it be easier to tune in the suspension and make a new gear option available?

Hmmm spend tons of money on motor/ tuning adjustments in hopes of making enough hp to beat the mustang(even though on paper and all test results show its currently a drivers race)

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or, option B. Make a simple gear swap that will absorb any straight line performance the mustang may or may not have and change the springs/sways to help with the Camaros performance characteristics.

So engine mods that would involve recertifying the motor for the camaros ls3 the vettes ls3 (any hp bump will almost automaticlly be done to the vette too) and the camaros l99 or swap a gear to catch the opposition?

You tell me which is easier/ cheaper and faster to do?

Or get this shit. They could do the gear swap option and add hp and punch the lights out of the mustang.

How does $1,000 for just cams sound to you to try and catch that? How are those other mustang mod motors responding to bolt-ons, its like those things are in phucking comas. Have you seen them?

Anyways, 2011 Camaro 3.93(manual) 3.73 (auto) is the only option it will need for it to beat the 2011 GT. You can sig that if you want, cause thats all its gonna take.

You're making it sound like the camaro HAS to be modded based on the mustang's performance. why can't it be it's own car? having one car and obsessed with another is just weird, LOVE YOUR CAR AS IT IS.

[Inferno2SS]

Originally Posted by Unfair

You're making it sound like the camaro HAS to be modded based on the mustang's performance. why can't it be it's own car? having one car and obsessed with another is just weird, LOVE YOUR CAR AS IT IS.

I agree with you there, some people are a bit too obsessed with the Mustang. I for one could care less about the Mustang. I for one wouldnt of bought the 2011 Mustang over the 2010 Camaro regardless.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Unfair

If the article was the other way around i am sure you would be praising MT like we all did when the tests were in the camaro's favor, just because a magazine article doesn't go your way that doesn't mean it's the only way to go...

ummm no I blasted MT when that article came out and I still do to this day. Unlike most here I have no bias to one car or another, I own far my expensive cars and more powerful cars then these could ever hope to come off the line stock. When someone reports crazy numbers like they did about the GT500 and then make it seem as it thats all the car is about then they have no credit. I know what the GT500 is and many others do and if you or anyone was using that as backup then sorry for that stupidity.

As I said, no one should be listening to MT after the SS/GT500 test.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

First you tell me that Im assuming a lot, then in your second sentence you say "Im am sure the tune is pretty mild". LOL.

Anyways any monkey knows a dohc motor runs more efficent than an ohv motor. Theres no questioning that.

As for the suspension, the mustang is supposed to be pretty good now that the track pack parts are standard equipment. What that means is that you will probably get less improvement per dollar spent over the Camaro who everyone knows comes with some chincy sways and rides a bit too high.

As for my suspension assumption.....until a few days ago there was nothing even hinting of the 2011 camaro coming out. Silence doesnt mean they are doing nothing.

Do you expect revised heads/exhaust manifolds/cam specs to bump hp on the Camaro/Corvette? Or would it be easier to tune in the suspension and make a new gear option available?

Hmmm spend tons of money on motor/ tuning adjustments in hopes of making enough hp to beat the mustang(even though on paper and all test results show its currently a drivers race)

or


or


or, option B. Make a simple gear swap that will absorb any straight line performance the mustang may or may not have and change the springs/sways to help with the Camaros performance characteristics.

So engine mods that would involve recertifying the motor for the camaros ls3 the vettes ls3 (any hp bump will almost automaticlly be done to the vette too) and the camaros l99 or swap a gear to catch the opposition?

You tell me which is easier/ cheaper and faster to do?

Or get this shit. They could do the gear swap option and add hp and punch the lights out of the mustang.

How does $1,000 for just cams sound to you to try and catch that? How are those other mustang mod motors responding to bolt-ons, its like those things are in phucking comas. Have you seen them?

Anyways, 2011 Camaro 3.93(manual) 3.73 (auto) is the only option it will need for it to beat the 2011 GT. You can sig that if you want, cause thats all its gonna take.

IF they do a gear ioption it will no doubt be for the manual only and a 3.73 max. A few things though, will it cause the Camaro to have an additional shift before the 1/4 mile mark erasing any gain? Will a stiffer suspension to help handling hurt the weight distribution when launching down the 1320? Will the difference really make up 4/10s or make the gap wider by not being optimized for straight line racing? ? The mustang is still going to have a lofty weight advantage and IMHO we haven't seen what it can really do yet. Remember a couple camaros have hit 12.6, the norm is more around 12.9-13.2, the 12.7 (and probably as low as 12.5) will be the avaeage for the Mustang. I can't wait until the 11 GTs actually hit the strip with with owners behind the wheel.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

True. I could say the same exact thing for the GT500. How else can you explain me driving a bone stock 2007 GT500 to a 12.51 @ 113.81 (2.042 60ft) at Beech Bend Raceway back in 2008 when all the magazines can muster from a 2010 version sporting more power than that car is a 12.8 (or 12.4, depending on what is being referenced)? As anyone who has seen me drive at the track can tell you, I am no Evan Smith, either.

ET is also a reflection of vehicle weight, rolling resistance, etc. not just how well someone can get it to 60ft.


I, too, would have liked to see MotorTrend wait until they had 2011 versions of all three cars before making performance comparisons. Of course, we’ve not heard a peep out of GM regarding any changes to the Camaro for the 2011 model year and so far we only have rumors on what Fiat is going to bring to the table with their Challenger. Even if it gets the 6.4L, it will need to be putting out 475-500HP just to be competitive with the GM and Ford offerings.

The silence from GM speaks volumes to me on their plans for the 2011 Camaro, but I’m hoping that they are simply waiting for the right time to spring any upgrades on us.

As for the testing, remember, the quarter mile tests were not done on a prepped track, so only getting a 13.1 from the Camaro should not be a surprise. Neither should it be a surprise that the significantly lighter and better geared Mustang beat it on the same day on the same surface by four tenths. I have no doubt that you will see mid-to-low 12’s from a 2011 Mustang GT on stock tires once they hit a real racetrack, much like you’ve seen stock 2010 Camaro’s getting mid-12’s under similar conditions.

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Edit: Motortrend assestment was pretty bang on, even though the mustang and camaro has the exact same trap speeds the better geared mustang can launch harder. BTW the article says they used premium gas for the gt but regular gas for the SS. I hope that is a typo or this comparison is bogus. The video is up and you can see that they went "balls to the walls" when lanching the GT but the Bogged down the camaro at launch.

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by cschmidt1956

I wanted something fresh and I got it, I didn't want some warmed over design from 2004 which is all the 2011 Mustang is.

I believe the V6 in the 2011's is a brand new motor. It's also a completely different design than the 2004 Stangs.

And I'm not dumping on GM. The V6 they put in the new Camaros is a great motor, and it may well be why Ford had to up-gun their V6 Mustangs to compete.

[Stew]

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[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I believe the V6 in the 2011's is a brand new motor. It's also a completely different design than the 2004 Stangs.

And I'm not dumping on GM. The V6 they put in the new Camaros is a great motor, and it may well be why Ford had to up-gun their V6 Mustangs to compete.

Off topic but while watching 24 last night they had the Genesis highlighted and man I think I would buy that V6 puppy in a heartbeat, it looked sexy and has some nice get up and go to it.

WOW that was completely off topic.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ssump29

Off topic but while watching 24 last night they had the Genesis highlighted and man I think I would buy that V6 puppy in a heartbeat, it looked sexy and has some nice get up and go to it.

WOW that was completely off topic.

It's over-hyped...The Camaro was on-par with it at a lower price point and higher efficiency, and now the Mustang is, too.

[ULTRAZLS1]

I am sure they didnt bog the camaro on purpose. Maybe the surface that day was hard to hook for the camaro...hence the 13.1 1/4 and 4.7 to 60. They have gone as quick as 12.9 and 4.5 to 60 with the camaro. (traps were same so conditions were no worse or better for performance)

Even with both cars hooking the GT still looks to have about a .2 advantage in the 1/4 and 0-60 on average. Better gearing, lighter car and plenty of power. Nothing to lose sleep over but the new GT is definitely faster than the camaro. (well quicker....both are back and forth in traps from the 4 tests so far)

It is funny that the camaro beat the challenger last year but they just decided to pick the challenger this time. They didnt like the feel of the interior so they picked the car with no performance advantage in ANY aspect with a 10k higher price tag. Sound VERY realistic to me.


Good job FORD.... but hold on to your ass for chevys response in the coming years (not sure much will haappen in 2011) The LS3 will be entering its fourth year of use in the corvette in 2011. I wouldnt be surprised if they are working on another power plant. The LS2 only lasted 3 years lol.


**** As for the regular gas thing. I highly doubt they used regular in the SS. They wold have to be stupid. The traps were also fine in the camaro in this test....they just werent hooking quite as well this time.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by todd03blown

wow some of you folks really have issues......its a FREAKING CAR!!!!!!!! As a few other posters have said; ENJOY what you have as that is what matters!!

This is truly a hesterical thread....LMFAO....I would hate to live the life some of you live the way you are reacting about this new mustang and the MT comparison.

Thank you for that. I feel enlightened.

[rayhawk]

Originally Posted by syr74

MT reported observed mileage and mileage as rated by the epa which is 17/26 for the GT manual whichever gear set you have, I'm not sure what else they could have done here?



It says the same thing for Mustang GT, which has a recommended octane rating of 91. If it's true and hurting the Camaro, then it's hurting the Mustang too.



There is no Track Pack for 2011, and the 3.73:1 gears are going to have a higher take rate than 10%. Either way, it's factory offering and complaining about is just sounds like sour grapes.



Mustang does not and, according to Ford, will not offer 20 inch rims since they offer no performance advantage on cars of this size.

As for price parity, option for option the Mustang costs less which isn't really a surprise. A Mustang with the Brembo brake package does cost more than the base Camaro SS because Ford wont let you get the brake package without getting the Premium package which includes leather, etc.

So, to put is simply,Ford will sell you a 3.73:1 equipped Mustang GT for less than GM will sell you a base Camaro 1SS, but they wont let you order the Brembo brake package on that trim level. GM will sell you a base Camaro 1SS for less than a Brembo equipped Mustang GT, but that Camaro will have much less in the way of feature content since you have to opt for a GT Premium to get the brakes. If you option up the Camaro to match the Mustang Premium in terms of feature content, the Camaro will cost more even if you add the Brembo brakes to the Mustang.



Nobody associated with the 5.0L engine program, whether that be as a Ford employee or as a contractor, has suggested this. In fact, they have suggested the exact opposite, that the 5.0L is running in a very mild state of tune.

The 'it's tapped out' argument just sounds like wishful thinking.

There is a loophole in the EPA rating which allows manufacturers to rate the car with one gearset, but offer an optional gearset as well without getting it re-rated. They only have to test different engine/transmission combinations, not rear axle changes. How the hell would a 3.31 get the same mileage as a 3.73. Oh wait, the Mustang is magic, I forgot.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/which_tested.shtml